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Re: IN FINE FETTLE
« Reply #120 on: February 03, 2025, 12:14:39 PM »

I'm sure there are others. Did George Bassman do Guys and Dolls? That's pretty terrific.
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« Reply #121 on: February 03, 2025, 12:14:53 PM »

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« Reply #122 on: February 03, 2025, 12:43:35 PM »

I listened to Drat! The Cat! straight through yesterday. It had been several years since I'd heard it, and it was a pleasure.

I was following the score I've had here from some long-ago capture on the internet, from way back when I first started finding scores online. What an interesting hodge-podge it is, both in style of manuscript and in how much musical information is given (or not) in each style. I'd be fascinated to know who did the various sections, and how that all came about, if BK or DR Elmore happens to know.

I (note to self:  third consecutive paragraph starting with 'I'?) am also taken with the liner note by Ira Levin, as to that notebook he couldn't find, which was practically a diary of the show's conception and birthing pains. Did that notebook ever see the light of day in the intervening years? What a goldmine. Hell, I still agonize over my high school senior year diary that was lost decades ago. And who in the world cares about that? Only I. But Ira Levin's show diary???

The orchestrations were by the great Hershy Kay and Clare Grundman, who both did Once Upon a Mattress, and I would not be surprised if the scene changes and short cues were by assistants Hershy used when he was in a crunch, although I know not who they might be. The dance arrangements were by the wonderful Genevieve Pitot, best known for her Quadrille in Cole Porter's Can-Can. She also did the dance charts for Kiss Me, Kate and Li'l Abner. In 1973 I worked with her nephew at the Jacobs Pillow Dance Festival.

That's one HELL of a roster.

Any idea who copied it all? A couple of the hands look very familiar, but I think certain ones tend to look somewhat alike to me. I suspected your friend Dale Kugel in at least one spot - could that be? - it wasn't as insanely complex as some I've seen, but nevertheless neat in that way.

EDIT:  I wonder if the orchestra parts for the various songs correspond to the hands that copied the piano-vocal. Or was that necessarily the same people?

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Re: IN FINE FETTLE
« Reply #123 on: February 03, 2025, 12:46:42 PM »

I watched SUBSTANCE and have more questions than answers....but I shall wait until more folks have seen the movie.
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« Reply #124 on: February 03, 2025, 12:47:17 PM »

I will do some more work on my taxes.....it seems a bit high in the "owe" department for what I "earned."
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Re: IN FINE FETTLE
« Reply #125 on: February 03, 2025, 12:50:13 PM »

I think I have just about everything I need to begin the taxes. I always view it with trepidation, but there should be a little coming back. And there's nothing any more complicated about 2024 than the previous couple of years were. I think. I hope. Fingers crossed. Knocking wood. etc.
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Re: IN FINE FETTLE
« Reply #126 on: February 03, 2025, 01:07:53 PM »

DR GEORGE the value of your 5 cent piece is all over the place on the internet.

From $9.50 to $14,500.

Wow!  I just need to find someone who'll pay the higher price! ;)

It would be wonderful if you could do that.
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« Reply #127 on: February 03, 2025, 01:08:54 PM »

DR GEORGE the value of your 5 cent piece is all over the place on the internet.

From $9.50 to $14,500.

Wow!  I just need to find someone who'll pay the higher price! ;)

Even halfway in between could be enjoyable.

Up.  At $9.50 I would simply save it.
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« Reply #128 on: February 03, 2025, 01:10:32 PM »

Oh, and he'll put a new battery in the fob, which either works quickly or takes three or four tries. And I have a second fob that doesn't work at all, so he'll put a new battery in that one, too.

Are they charging much for this?  We now watch videos and change our own batteries.
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« Reply #129 on: February 03, 2025, 01:11:35 PM »

Jeanne, if you see this -

You're at 28,996 posts.  Just 4 away from a new millstone!
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« Reply #130 on: February 03, 2025, 01:14:10 PM »

Wow, I just read this headline:

The Canadian province of Ontario on Monday announced it was cancelling a C$100 million ($68.12 million) contract with Elon Musk's Starlink, the latest retaliatory move against tariffs announced by U.S. President Donald Trump.
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« Reply #131 on: February 03, 2025, 01:25:47 PM »

I'm sure there are others. Did George Bassman do Guys and Dolls? That's pretty terrific.

He did much of Guys and Dolls with Ted Royal.
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« Reply #132 on: February 03, 2025, 01:28:04 PM »

I listened to Drat! The Cat! straight through yesterday. It had been several years since I'd heard it, and it was a pleasure.

I was following the score I've had here from some long-ago capture on the internet, from way back when I first started finding scores online. What an interesting hodge-podge it is, both in style of manuscript and in how much musical information is given (or not) in each style. I'd be fascinated to know who did the various sections, and how that all came about, if BK or DR Elmore happens to know.

I (note to self:  third consecutive paragraph starting with 'I'?) am also taken with the liner note by Ira Levin, as to that notebook he couldn't find, which was practically a diary of the show's conception and birthing pains. Did that notebook ever see the light of day in the intervening years? What a goldmine. Hell, I still agonize over my high school senior year diary that was lost decades ago. And who in the world cares about that? Only I. But Ira Levin's show diary???

The orchestrations were by the great Hershy Kay and Clare Grundman, who both did Once Upon a Mattress, and I would not be surprised if the scene changes and short cues were by assistants Hershy used when he was in a crunch, although I know not who they might be. The dance arrangements were by the wonderful Genevieve Pitot, best known for her Quadrille in Cole Porter's Can-Can. She also did the dance charts for Kiss Me, Kate and Li'l Abner. In 1973 I worked with her nephew at the Jacobs Pillow Dance Festival.

That's one HELL of a roster.

Any idea who copied it all? A couple of the hands look very familiar, but I think certain ones tend to look somewhat alike to me. I suspected your friend Dale Kugel in at least one spot - could that be? - it wasn't as insanely complex as some I've seen, but nevertheless neat in that way.

EDIT:  I wonder if the orchestra parts for the various songs correspond to the hands that copied the piano-vocal. Or was that necessarily the same people?


No Dale Kugel - the show never went to Tams-Witmark. We'd need an original Playbill to see who copied the show.
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« Reply #133 on: February 03, 2025, 01:32:43 PM »

There's one Playbill on eBay for Drat! The Cat!, signed by Eliot Gould. The seller is charging $99.99 for it.
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« Reply #134 on: February 03, 2025, 01:34:40 PM »

Thatch wanted a new portrait. He did not want to wait for our DR ChasSmith.
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« Reply #135 on: February 03, 2025, 01:40:11 PM »


EDIT:  I wonder if the orchestra parts for the various songs correspond to the hands that copied the piano-vocal. Or was that necessarily the same people?



Depending on how large the copy staff was, it's been my experience, in the old hand-copy days, that one person copied the strings, one the reeds, one the brass, etc. At Chelsea Music, which could have as many as 6-10 copyists working on a show, I believe the person who copied the piano-celesta part did the P/C for the number. Christine Ambrose did beautiful P/C art.
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« Reply #136 on: February 03, 2025, 01:45:30 PM »

Roasted mushroom pot pie is in the oven. It took way too much time. But it smells good.
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« Reply #137 on: February 03, 2025, 01:45:59 PM »

Diet Coke seems to be at an all-time hight - 11.99 at Ralph's. 9.99 at Gelson's. But I always check Walmart and Walmart is 6.98 during a special - ALL their sodas are for twelve-packs. So, I really made a nice order and stocked up. Got Diet Coke (regular and caffeine free), Diet Sprite, Diet Dad's Root Beer, Diet Canada Dry ginger ale, Diet Cranberry-Grape juice, Diet Cranberry-cherry juice and a few other little items. Quite the savings.
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« Reply #138 on: February 03, 2025, 01:46:30 PM »

I have some chicken left from the faux chicken stroganoff, so will probably make that into a chicken sandwich.
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« Reply #139 on: February 03, 2025, 01:47:02 PM »

Now, what box has the damn Drat string charts.
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« Reply #140 on: February 03, 2025, 01:47:18 PM »

Or did they get lost, although I doubt they did.
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« Reply #141 on: February 03, 2025, 01:48:11 PM »

The Substance - as I said after seeing it, if I want to see a David Cronenberg body horror movie, I'll watch The Fly.
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« Reply #142 on: February 03, 2025, 01:51:58 PM »

Thatch wanted a new portrait. He did not want to wait for our DR ChasSmith.

He's looking magnificent!
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« Reply #143 on: February 03, 2025, 01:52:30 PM »

Robert Haring, who copied Camelot and On a Clear Day for Russell Bennett, may have copied Drat! The Cat! He copied Coco and 110 in the Shade for Hershey. Bo was dead before I got to New York, but I was a good friend of his widow Judy, who ran Associated Music and worked as lot on bindibng, printing, and shipping materials for John McGlinn. Associated Music copied the parts for McGlinn's recordings of "Kiri Sings Gershwin" and "Gershwin Overtures."
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« Reply #144 on: February 03, 2025, 01:54:00 PM »

Cat! is in three or four different hands. Would that be from different stages of development, rewriting, etc.?
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« Reply #145 on: February 03, 2025, 01:55:13 PM »


EDIT:  I wonder if the orchestra parts for the various songs correspond to the hands that copied the piano-vocal. Or was that necessarily the same people?



Depending on how large the copy staff was, it's been my experience, in the old hand-copy days, that one person copied the strings, one the reeds, one the brass, etc. At Chelsea Music, which could have as many as 6-10 copyists working on a show, I believe the person who copied the piano-celesta part did the P/C for the number. Christine Ambrose did beautiful P/C art.

Please name any titles you can think of that Christine Ambrose did. I'd love to see some, and hopefully I have something of hers.
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« Reply #146 on: February 03, 2025, 01:57:22 PM »

Cat! is in three or four different hands. Would that be from different stages of development, rewriting, etc.?

No, there may have been 3 or more copyists working on the show while it was in NYC rehearsals. Also, while the show was out of town in previews, there would have been a staff of copyists keeping up on changes and new material. I remembered that my beloved Mathilde Pincus and Chelsea Music copied Hershy's scores for On the Twentieth Century and Candide. They may have copied Drast! The Cat!
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Re: IN FINE FETTLE
« Reply #147 on: February 03, 2025, 01:59:20 PM »

Robert Haring, who copied Camelot and On a Clear Day for Russell Bennett, may have copied Drat! The Cat! He copied Coco and 110 in the Shade for Hershey. Bo was dead before I got to New York, but I was a good friend of his widow Judy, who ran Associated Music and worked as lot on bindibng, printing, and shipping materials for John McGlinn. Associated Music copied the parts for McGlinn's recordings of "Kiri Sings Gershwin" and "Gershwin Overtures."

Several years ago we were thinking about doing Clear Day, and they sent the handwritten PC score as perusal. That was quite the surprise in this day and age. I carefully compared it with the published score in several places, and as I recall, I found no differences.
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« Reply #148 on: February 03, 2025, 02:05:12 PM »

I found Judy Haring's obituary from 2019 in the AFM magazine online. She was a wonderful lady. I adored her.

Judy Haring, 99, a member of Local 802 for over 25 years, died on Sept. 21. The daughter of an opera singer, Ms. Haring sang in clubs as a singer and a pianist at the beginning of her career. She married Bob Haring Jr., a musician and arranger, whose father (Bob Haring Sr.) was a leading recording artist, broadcaster and arranger in the 1920s through the 1940s. Ms. Haring performed for many years live on radio and television and was known equally for the quality of her voice and her arrangements. She will be remembered for her contribution to the music industry as the co-owner and manager of Associated Music Copy Service, which she formed with her husband and a number of copyist colleagues in the 1950s. They provided copying, printing and archiving services to composers, arrangers, musicians and producers around the world, including Harry Belafonte, Philip Glass, Stephen Sondheim, Hershey Kay, Leonard Bernstein, David Merrick, the Modern Jazz Quartet and the Gershwin Foundation. They produced their own music manuscript paper (Aztec) and also ran a music copying course, which produced a new generation of copyists. Ms. Haring was a valuable mentor to many composers, both young and old. She retired at 80 and spent the last years of her life at the Lillian Booth Actors Home in Englewood, New Jersey. Ms. Haring is survived by her children Eileen, Peter and Gene, and grandchildren Samantha, Amanda, Merideth, Thomas, Kristen and Jennifer.
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« Reply #149 on: February 03, 2025, 02:07:04 PM »

Saw an intriguing movie called End of the Century. It plays with time telling the story of two men who meet. They've met before, but the story plays out differently. In the supposed present day, they have sex first and then get to know each other. Twenty years in the past, the two looking n different, meet first and it leads to sex. Really enjoyed it.
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