Topic: THE FLICKERING FLAMES (Read 25382 times)

S. Woody White · « **Reply #60 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:32:20 PM »

Quote from: William E. Lurie on February 04, 2004, 09:57:47 AM

Concerning the AFTER DARK cover... during most of the time that AFTER DARK was being published I was living in Buffalo and the only place you could buy it was at Porn Shops. I always felt that the proper name for the publication should have been "The Closet". It was a soft core gay pron magazine pretending to be a legitimate arts magazine. There is nothing wrong with that, per se, but they used the arts coverage to hide the real purpose of the magazine. It's a shame that they did this as many of the articles were interesting, but then people only say they read read PLAYBOY for the articles as well.

Well, DR WEL, for a long time it was impossible to find The Advocate in anything other than porn shops. This was quite strange, as it billed itself as a news magazine and never had the photography for which After Dark was noted. There was the classified ads section, of course, but the Advocate was never a porn production, even of the soft sort.

For those interested in what the articles in After Dark were like, I found the following in a cursory Yahoo check:

An interview with Leonard Cohen

An interview with Madeline Kahn

An interview with Cat Stevens

And an interview with Ann-Margret.

As for the "closet" issue, I'm personally reluctant to condemn people in the 70s for not being out of said closet. While the Stonewall Riots took place in '69, it took strong anti-gay ballot measures in Florida in '77 and California in '78 to get the gay community off of their apathetic buns. Being out of the closet, publicly, was something that for the vast majority of the gay community had never been tried before, and weren't ready to try. People were afraid of losing their jobs, their homes, anything that gave them any shred of security. I should know; even twenty years ago, when I came out at work, most of my friends looked at me like I was crazy.

And maybe I was.

S. Woody White · « **Reply #61 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:37:53 PM »

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Jane · « **Reply #62 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:43:12 PM »

Derbrucer it looks to me like Penny was on the left. What do you think Bruce?

Tomovoz you were so rugged looking, definitely a professor. You just needed a pipe to compliment the look.

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]Good vibes to Jrand[/move]

JoseSPiano congrats on getting your car back.

TCB I hope your back is better soon. Do you have some stretches or something to help? It sure can ruin a show when you are in pain.

Panni · « **Reply #63 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:47:18 PM »

Quote from: Emily on February 04, 2004, 12:25:27 PM

I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bored.

DR Emily - You've made my day. Don't misunderstand, I'm sorry you're bored. But reading your post made me think about the fact that it has been years and years since I've been bored. There are not too many great things one can say about getting older (note, I said "older" not "old") - but one unexpected bonus is the blessed end of boredom. I do remember how horribly, painfully bored I could get as a kid, a teenager, a young adult. I would feel like I'd simply BURST if something didn't happen. But all that is over. There are times that are more stimulating than others, yes. But, thank goodness, even when doing nothing (a rare and welcome event) I am not bored. Even when doing "boring" things, I am not bored. After years of living, one's head gets crowded with so much, that things are never dull. So, indeed, youth is wasted on the young, but boredom is not. I'm glad, so glad, that I'm not bored anymore. (a GIGI reference)

Jane · « **Reply #64 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:47:18 PM »

For months I’ve been saying I can’t afford to get sick until after I return from Bethesda. Guess what-I’m sick. No wonder I was so tired yesterday. Last night I suddenly began coughing & have a head cold. Mostly I’m really tired & feel groggy as if I took something, which I didn’t. I’m going to make some soup and, MBarnum, I am going to watch Night Nurse.

CharlieToft · « **Reply #65 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:47:22 PM »

The Zeppelin party in MADAM SATAN is tremendous fun, but I find the rest of the film very heavy going. God bless Lillian Roth.

There is a Kay Francis film about Manhattan high society party girls that's also a hoot, filled with drop-dead Deco interiors. Lillyan Tashman is also in it, and I'm too lazy to look it up on the Movie Database. Forgot the title.

MURDER AT THE VANITIES is an especially snappy pre-code musical as FOLLOW THROUGH.

Two or three years ago, Columbia struck new prints of some pre-code musical shorts, some with a teenaged Betty Grable. One (I think called SCHOOL FOR ROMANCE) featured Betty and some other girls stripping down to their lace dainties (pre-code films loved showing women in underwear...truly a fetishest' delight) and thier pert nipples were very much visible through the sheer silk.

Panni · « **Reply #66 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:48:11 PM »

Feel better, Jane. Good health vibes your way.

Jane · « **Reply #67 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:49:39 PM »

Panni - LOL There is great truth in what you said.

Jane · « **Reply #68 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:50:22 PM »

Thanks Panni.

Charles Pogue · « **Reply #69 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:50:23 PM »

Pert nipples?! Did someone say pert nipples?! Where?!

Emily · « **Reply #70 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:50:31 PM »

Leonard Cohen went to McGill! woo hoo! school spirit! huzzah!

okay... back to Augustine, etc.

bk · « **Reply #71 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:55:17 PM »

Pert Nipples is the title of my new book! Only kidding.

Emily: If they were to do a Biography of me and I didn't take part, they could interview any of the singers I've worked with, they could interview Harvey Schmidt, Todd Ellison, my brother, my daughter, my college professors, and Guy Haines.

Panni · « **Reply #72 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:56:37 PM »

...and Luckie.

Panni · « **Reply #73 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:57:27 PM »

Who would finally reveal the REAL reason for all the peeing.

Panni · « **Reply #74 on:** February 04, 2004, 12:58:41 PM »

...That's Luckie's peeing, not bk's.

Panni · « **Reply #75 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:00:51 PM »

I need help ASAP. (No smart remarks, please.) I'm trying to describe the window of any upscale grocery market (like Gelson's) at Thanksgiving. What would they have on display?

Emily · « **Reply #76 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:07:41 PM »

horns 'of plenty

or is that horns of plenties?

Tomovoz · « **Reply #77 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:09:10 PM »

Sorry to read you are groggy Jane. Hope next time you have a better cause. I hope the bug finds a new home (not with Keith) soon.
Professor: I doubt if my students saw me that way. If I had a pipe I would probably blow soap bubbles. Thanks anyway. I think the photo was taken by a colleague.

Tomovoz · « **Reply #78 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:13:32 PM »

No doubt the readers will come up with a cornucopia of ideas Panni. Perhaps Amalthaea herself or Zeus. it's all greek to me.

Matt H. · « **Reply #79 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:17:02 PM »

Christopher Meloni Picture of the Week:

Here he plays Gene, a psychotic Vietnam veteran acting as the cook at a summer camp in the comedy WET HOT AMERICAN SUMMER. During the film, he has sex with a refrigerator.

Panni · « **Reply #80 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:18:45 PM »

Quote from: Tomovoz on February 04, 2004, 01:13:32 PM

No doubt the readers will come up with a cornucopia of ideas

I've already described an overflowing cornucopia and a papier-mache turkey.

TCB · « **Reply #81 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:20:50 PM »

Quote from: Charles Pogue on February 04, 2004, 12:50:23 PM

Pert nipples?! Did someone say pert nipples?! Where?!

Just remember, DR Charles Pogue, how old a movie we are talking about. By now, the nipples would probably be pert-less.

Lulu · « **Reply #82 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:22:33 PM »

Poor Jane! I'm sorry you're under the weather. Hope you feel better soon...and tell us what you thought of Night Nurse!

DR Charles Pogue reminded me of another favorite: Tarzan and his Mate. ITA it's quite a little scorcher.

I also forgot Three on a Match, a wholesome little film wherein Bette Davis is the GOOD one! (Joan Blondell does time at a School For Girls - the kind where the windows have iron bars - and Ann Dvorak leaves her rich husband and adorable son for evil lech Lyle Talbot then develops quite the little coke-and-heroin habit). Great flick, with (as the ad copy might have put it at the time) a NERVE-SHATTERING CONCLUSION!

BK: Thank you for your clarification of the meaning of full-frame (as opposed to fullscreen). I still think they're trying to put something over on people with their terminology, though I can't figure out why they'd want to.

Matt H. · « **Reply #83 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:24:46 PM »

Yes, those Stanley Kubrick unmatted DVDs make my blood boil. Oh, I have them, but like bk, I use one of the widescreen modes on my set to crop the film to the correct proportions.

When I went to see THE GRIFTERS at the theater many years ago, the projectionist had failed to matte the projector, and I spent the entire movie seeing boom mikes and cables in shot after shot. I'd try to concentrate on the people (and the movie was so damn good that it was VERY frustrating trying to keep my eyes from wandering up toward the top of the screen to see what I could see.) I bought the Special Edition DVD a couple of months ago and really for the first time saw THE GRIFTERS the way it was meant to be seen.

Lulu · « **Reply #84 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:30:51 PM »

Panni: How about squash, gourds, pumpkins, and Indian corn?

Better yet, they could have paid an artist beau coup bucks to produce fakes of all those items. Not papier mache, though...I dunno, maybe shot-gold slubbed silk over copper wire armatures?

Just an idea.

Lulu · « **Reply #85 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:33:41 PM »

Oh! Pilgrim dioramas! Displayed by the local chi-chi private school, and all WAY too good for kids to have done them...we can draw our own conclusions.

Jay · « **Reply #86 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:34:29 PM »

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]High spirit vibes to Dear Reader JRand 53!!![/move]

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Charles Pogue · « **Reply #87 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:35:00 PM »

TCB, better to have been pert and sagged, then never to have been pert at all.

William E. Lurie · « **Reply #88 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:42:37 PM »

First and foremost, I just finished reading the Alet Oury interview (the hell with the work I am supposed to be doing) and it was fascinating. Other than the BK CDs and the LOUISIANA PURCHASE CD I am not familiar with her work but I'd love to hear more. And she turned what could have come off as a made-for-Lifetime movie plot into a great interview. She sounds like a super lady and I wish her nothing but the best. Now when is the interview with Ida Mae Whiffle?

Regarding "The Advocate" being sold only at porno stores, there may not have been pictures, but those ads in the Classifieds (once called "Trader Dick" and later "The Pink Pages") were really for Adults Only. The funny thing is, when it split into two magazines - "The Advocate" and "Advocate Classifieds" - they ruined the whole things It was like breaking up a good solid dinner and an excellent dessert into two different meals. One really needed the other to make it complete.

As for show business magazines, the best ever was published for about a year starting in the summer of 1961 by Hugh Heffner of all people (despite the fact that there were no nude pictures or anything remotely Playboyish about it). It was called SHOW BUSINESS ILLUSTRATED and featured excellent articles, interviews and reviews. Patrick Dennis' LITTLE ME was serialized (pictures and all) in the first seven issues of SBI before it was published in book form. And this was a magazine for all age groups unlike today's equivalent ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY which is strictly for the under 30 crowd.

Robin · « **Reply #89 on:** February 04, 2004, 01:43:48 PM »

Quote from: DERBRUCER on February 04, 2004, 06:53:29 AM

der Brucer (who assures all DRs that if he's ever arrested for the T-Shirt he's wearing, it will contain something more provocative than computer code)

Well, I've never been arrested for wearing a t-shirt, but I have one that actually gets me yelled at from time to time. It reads "Blasphemy is a Victimless Crime". It always does my heart good. I also have a shirt that apparently says something rather risque in Japanese...

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