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« Reply #150 on: January 14, 2010, 03:57:02 PM »

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« Reply #151 on: January 14, 2010, 03:57:15 PM »

Had a very nice time with Mr. Stu Phillips and there will be a project for us in the near future.
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« Reply #152 on: January 14, 2010, 03:57:33 PM »

And now I am quite behind in the writing, so to work I go.
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« Reply #153 on: January 14, 2010, 03:58:00 PM »

PRESENT LAUGHTER was one of the most successful productions that I have ever done.  Garry Essendine seemed a perfect fit for me at that particular time in my life; and the critics loved it.  My fellow cast members were less than thrilled that the main newspaper's review spent all of the time talking about my work, and basically ignoring the rest of the cast.  It also didn't help that the paper ran my picture on all the Friday and Saturday nights of the run, calling my performance the Weekend's Best Bet.
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« Reply #154 on: January 14, 2010, 04:00:49 PM »

Most memorable license plate I ever saw was in Provincetown about 20 + years ago.

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« Reply #155 on: January 14, 2010, 04:01:10 PM »

We have a deal on the new house.  Now on to the inspection phase.  Oy.  I must say I am severely disappointed that none of you have purchased our current house at today's remarkable 1% discount price.  ;)
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« Reply #156 on: January 14, 2010, 04:04:58 PM »

Our house is officially "active."  If you go to:


www.PortlandHomeTeam.com


Then click on "Search MLS" and enter:

10003611

in the "listing search" link

you will get a gallery (if you click gallery, LOL) of semi-lovely photos.  Because I love you all so dearly, I am offering any of you a 1% discount if you buy the house today.  ;)  (It's actually a bargain at this price, if I do say so myself--our realtor thinks we should have it listed about 100K higher, but I just want the thing to sell quickly).


I didn't see the gouge in the hardwood floor.
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« Reply #157 on: January 14, 2010, 04:07:34 PM »

Very nice, DR JMK.  What is that ghost on the wall?

That is one of my favorite pieces by my mother in law (she also did the big piece that's on the dining room wall).  Her website is:

www.jeaninesdream.com

I may have mentioned this before, but she was part of an early 50's group of artists in NYC that included Jasper Johns.  Johns painted a very lifelike still life for Jeanine before he got into the Pop Art business.  As you may know, Johns later destroyed all of his pre-Pop work.  Jeanine and Ed were able to sell this still life back to Johns a couple of years ago for an absolutely unbelievable sum.  ;)


Is she also a lesbian?
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« Reply #158 on: January 14, 2010, 04:09:07 PM »

Had a very nice time with Mr. Stu Phillips and there will be a project for us in the near future.

This is most interesting.
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« Reply #159 on: January 14, 2010, 04:10:23 PM »

I will buy it only if you retrieve and throw in the Johns still life.
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« Reply #160 on: January 14, 2010, 04:10:39 PM »

GAY DECEIVERS also starred the late Kevin Coughlin.
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« Reply #161 on: January 14, 2010, 04:12:25 PM »

This is cool... And something that DR SWW and others may find quite useful:

Eat Your Books

The folks behind this site have indexed the recipes from over 16,000 cookbooks, so the next time you're trying to remember which cookbook in your collection contains that recipe for "Chicken Parisienne"...  -It's not a free site - $25 for a year, or $50 for a lifetime - but I could see how and where it would come in handy.


What's a cookbook?
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« Reply #162 on: January 14, 2010, 04:12:38 PM »

Didn't Stu Phillips compose the theme to the original Battlestar Galactica TV series?
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« Reply #163 on: January 14, 2010, 04:23:40 PM »

This is cool... And something that DR SWW and others may find quite useful:

Eat Your Books

The folks behind this site have indexed the recipes from over 16,000 cookbooks, so the next time you're trying to remember which cookbook in your collection contains that recipe for "Chicken Parisienne"...  -It's not a free site - $25 for a year, or $50 for a lifetime - but I could see how and where it would come in handy.


What's a cookbook?

A telephone. I live on take out.
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« Reply #164 on: January 14, 2010, 04:28:13 PM »

Our house is officially "active."  If you go to:


www.PortlandHomeTeam.com


Then click on "Search MLS" and enter:

10003611

in the "listing search" link

you will get a gallery (if you click gallery, LOL) of semi-lovely photos.  Because I love you all so dearly, I am offering any of you a 1% discount if you buy the house today.  ;)  (It's actually a bargain at this price, if I do say so myself--our realtor thinks we should have it listed about 100K higher, but I just want the thing to sell quickly).


I didn't see the gouge in the hardwood floor.

That was fixed as part of the kitchen remodel, when we had the entire upstairs floors refinished.
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« Reply #165 on: January 14, 2010, 04:29:29 PM »

It was reported in one book on Old Hollywood that a bout of dyptheria left Ida Lupino bald as a cue ball in her childhood and that she always wore wigs in her life......I am sure I didn't dream it, but I have never seen it mentioned otherwise.
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« Reply #166 on: January 14, 2010, 04:29:33 PM »

Yikes, DerBrucer! I'm glad you'll be having the surgery BEFORE a heart attack. If all this new-fangled stuff was around in the 70s, my dad would have lived to see his grandchildren.

Now, you tell Woody that he has to log in and give us updates.

Well, beg as you will, there will no nude chest photos!

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did the surgeon show you how long a scar you will have?  i wasn't prepared for how bad the incision would look.  it really does get much, much better after the first month.
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« Reply #167 on: January 14, 2010, 04:30:23 PM »

PRESENT LAUGHTER was one of the most successful productions that I have ever done.  Garry Essendine seemed a perfect fit for me at that particular time in my life; and the critics loved it.  My fellow cast members were less than thrilled that the main newspaper's review spent all of the time talking about my work, and basically ignoring the rest of the cast.  It also didn't help that the paper ran my picture on all the Friday and Saturday nights of the run, calling my performance the Weekend's Best Bet.

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« Reply #168 on: January 14, 2010, 04:31:59 PM »

We have a deal on the new house.  Now on to the inspection phase.  Oy.  I must say I am severely disappointed that none of you have purchased our current house at today's remarkable 1% discount price.  ;)

CONGRATULATIONS!   :)
MAY IT BE SMOOTH SAILING FROM NOW ON!
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« Reply #169 on: January 14, 2010, 04:32:42 PM »

POLITICS DAILY

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Iron Chef Special Used Ringers, Not Veggies From The White House Garden

The produce used on the Food Network's Jan. 3 Iron Chef of America two-hour special White House show was billed as being from the White House garden. But the show did not disclose that "stunt double vegetables" were used and not produce from the First Family's garden.


Stunt veggies for food shows.  What’s next, Stunt C**ks for porn films!

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« Reply #170 on: January 14, 2010, 04:32:58 PM »

I am putting together stew for the crockpot for tomorrow.  Since I couldn't find my favorite vegetable peeler, the potatoes will be the healthier style with the skins still on them.




I wonder if I should have washed them first?
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« Reply #171 on: January 14, 2010, 04:35:12 PM »

Beautiful house, JMK. I guess I don't understand why you want to move. I thought it was the house with the huge property that you wanted, but now that you aren't getting it...

Because the pictures don't show the two hideous McMansions that now abut my backyard.


Do those McMansions come with fries?
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« Reply #172 on: January 14, 2010, 04:39:55 PM »



did the surgeon show you how long a scar you will have?  i wasn't prepared for how bad the incision would look.  it really does get much, much better after the first month.

If the nurse is to be believed - 3-4 inches.

Procedures must really be improving - they don't even give you a prescription for pain killers when you leave.

der Brucer

I will need a major investment in new wardrobe - pajama bottoms to keep the dogs from licking the legs wounds. (and may some comfy button up flannel shirts - I'm not sure how comfortable I'll be pulling on the long sleeve pull-over sweat shirts I usually wear during the day. 
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« Reply #173 on: January 14, 2010, 04:40:19 PM »

Frances starred in PRESENT LAUGHTER with Reginald Gardiner.  I have tons of pics of that production.
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« Reply #174 on: January 14, 2010, 04:42:07 PM »

I am putting together stew for the crockpot for tomorrow.  Since I couldn't find my favorite vegetable peeler, the potatoes will be the healthier style with the skins still on them.




I wonder if I should have washed them first?

Not unless you also skin the meat before cooking.

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« Reply #175 on: January 14, 2010, 04:44:40 PM »

Note for TCB:

I told the hospital staff I was not nearly as concerned about the surgery as I was about the possibility of getting MRSA.

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« Reply #176 on: January 14, 2010, 04:45:37 PM »

I have been E&T for a bit (and will probably be for another week).

A tad ago I took a brisk walk up to Woody's store and about 2/3 of the way there had a really bad chest pain and a severe case of vertigo.

The next week the same thing thing happened again - about the same spot on the journey.

Then one night all four dogs got loose while Woody was at work and I had to chase them down again - just got back to the drive before the pain hit.

I would normally ignore these little inconveniences, but I did have a scheduled Dr's appointment last week.  I knew Jane would be all over my case for not consulting a Dr earlier, but if I neglected to mention it on the office visit, she would would really be down on me.

The Dr. couldn't just go ho-hum, he had to give me a prescription for Nitro glycerin pills and schedule me for a cardiology consult to get a stress test; the cardiologist said a stress test was a waste of time and scheduled me for a cardiac catheterization (You want to shave me where!!!) (The Dr. seems to be a believer in News Reports, not advance warnings: I got a needle jam follwed by the declaration "You'll feel a little stick." Meanwhile, the attending nurse was unhappy with the previous nurse's attempts at inserting an IV, so she took  two more stabs at it. There was then all sorts or rearranging of lab equipment and I was getting impatient at the delay (I was waiting for the litany of sensations the Internet predicted.) Just when I was about to sound like like a 6 year old on a car trip and plead "Are we there yet!", the Dr. announced "All done!". Too soon! I was still mulling over a choice of quips: either, "Can you peel me a grape" or can I have a cigarette break?"

Well, it seems my heart is in perfect shape and does just what it should - running in idle - but step on the gas and forget about it - clogs galore!.

Said the DR - you need a by-pass (or two or more).

I asked about the options which basically reduced to:

A. Try a new diet, maybe get a stent or two, do a touch of angioplasty, pray often to a collection of Deity's - and then when for the inevitable heart attack, suffer cardiac muscle damage, and come in the for the  by pass.

B. Skip the preliminaries, get the damn surgery, and get on with my life.

Fortunately I had a two-headed "common sense" coin which dictated the surgery.

So. we set the alarm for 4AM Tuesday to do the deed.

Me: how long will I be hospitalized?

Them: usually three days.

Me: OK - Tues - one, Wed - two, Thurs - three.

Them: Nope: Tues is day zero (So I guess they don't charge for that day!)

So, if I hadn't worried about Janes's nagging I wouldn't be going in for Surgery!

So I blame Jane for this damnable inconvenience (but should probably bless her for the years she might have added to my life).

der Brucer

Boy - the dogs are having a blast looking for needle marks to lick!

 

HEALTH VIBES TO DERBRUCER!
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« Reply #177 on: January 14, 2010, 04:45:59 PM »

Tolstoy is alive and well and writing emails department:

I just received this fascinating missive:

Using subtitles to transition from one point to another, I will prove the double entendre in Mat 16:18 is an elegant Janus Parallelism on PETROS. Please pardon any lack of writing skill.
"Thou art PETROS and upon this PETROS I will build"

-hypothetical Aramaic speech of Christ in Mat 16:18

 "You are PETROS-Firstborn (of the divine revelation of Me)

and upon this (revelation) THE PETROS (the life giving rock)  I will build my church."
The most parsimonious interpretation is most likely correct.

The supposed ambiguities of Matthew 16:18 vanish when we interpret Jesus' double entendre historico-grammatically as an Old Testament style Janus Parallelism on the Aramaic/Greek homonym (Aramaic PeTRos / Firstborn ; Greek PETROS / petra / rock). Among competing explanations, this alone achieves maximum parsimony, the universal characteristic of truth.  

What is a Janus Parallelism?

 "Janus Parallelism. This type of parallelism hinges on the use of a single word with two different meanings, one of which forms a parallel with what precedes and the other with what follows. Thus, by virtue of a double entendre, the parallelism faces in both directions. An example is Gen 49:26."-Freedman, D. N. (1996, c1992). The Anchor Bible Dictionary (5:157). New York: Doubleday.

 The transliterated Aramaic PeTRos(firstborn) and Greek PETROS(stone) are spelled the same in Greek, so it is likely the Greek speaking Church would confuse them

After the Jewish revolt was crushed about AD. 135, Judea was renamed Syria Palestina, and Jerusalem became a pagan city Jews were forbidden to enter.  Soon Jewish Christians familiar with Palestinian Aramaic names had vanished from the church. Therefore it is certain they would confuse the Aramaic PETROS ("firstborn") with the Greek PETROS ("stone"), not only are they spelled the same, Jesus called Simon "KEPHA" in John 1:42, which John interpreted to be, in Greek, a PETROS.


When we test the proposition these were confused, that PETROS is in fact a homonym with radically different meanings, all alleged ambiguity vanishes from the relevant texts---proving beyond reasonable doubt they did confuse this homonym.

The Aramaic PETROS "Firstborn" and Greek PETROS "Rock" are homonyms

"And a surprising discovery among the Dead Sea Scrolls proves the existence of the Greek form, Petros, even among Aramaic-speaking Jews some time before the dialogue at Caesarea Philippi took place. The leather fragment 4QM130, an Aramaic writing exercise in the form of several names like Aquila, Dallui, Eli, Gaddi, Hyrcanus, Jannai, Magnus, Malkiha, Mephisbosheth, Zakariel-in other words, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and even Latin names-includes Petros, in a precise Aramaic transcription of the Greek spelling.36 It is safe to say that Jesus did not have to invent the name and its Greek form. Jews knew it and used it, even in a cross-cultural writing exercise." Thiede, C. P. (2004). The Cosmopolitan World of Jesus : New findings from Archaeology (p.69). London: SPCK.

 

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« Reply #178 on: January 14, 2010, 04:48:53 PM »

Oh, but wait, there's still Part 2 department:

There was, on the contrary, as already mentioned (note 12), an Aramaic name ????? (Petros), which perhaps is to be connected with ??? (patar) "firstborn". -PETER Disciple-Apostle-Martyr, by Oscar Cullmann, translated from the German by Floyd V. Filson (Westminister Press, Philadelphia, 1953), p 19, Note 14.  

 

 

An Aramaic PETROS resolves all alleged ambiguity of the antecedent

 

Matthew preserved the succinct elegance of Christ's double entendre by changing the gender of the usually masculine idiom KAI EPI TOUTOIS to KAI EPI TAUTEE, disqualifying the masculine PETROS as its antecedent.

 

 

            The demonstrative pronoun has Christ leaving direct address (SOI, SU), speaking TO Peter ABOUT "The Rock"---literally "upon this the rock" (KAI EPI TAUTEE TEE PETRA). Usually masculine KAI EPI TOUTOIS (Lev 26:23; 1 Ma 10:42; Sir 32:13; Amo 8:8; Zec 14:18; TOUTW Joh 4:27), its antecedent implied, not supplied by the context (Lev 26:23; Sir 32:13; Amo 8:8 John 4:27).

            By attaching verse 17 to v.18 (KAGW DE SOI) "And I also unto thee", Matthew carried forward the antecedent, italicized as "it" in the KJV, which is feminine being the APOCALUPSIS (revelation) or ALEETHEIA (truth) "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God", that Peter just confessed changing his status. (cf  the Makarism "blessed"; the Aramaic Barjona, see below).

            Therefore, Matthew designed the context to disqualify the masculine PETROS as the antecedent. The article strengthens this disqualification as Jesus is speaking TO Simon ABOUT "The" rock.

            This is corroborated by his including Peter's embarrassment---Jesus "said unto PETROS, Get thee behind me, Satan" (vs. 23); obviously written against PETROS being "the rock", for then Christ built upon Satan.

            This exegesis is consistent with the overriding theme of the context---Jesus' identity (16:13-17,20); While Peter's confession is the occasion for discussing this, he remains a digression Christ quickly leaves, to return, using the short form, to what is important: "tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. (Mat 16:20 KJV)"

 

This is that "saying" upon which Christ built His church--- a parallel use of PETRA:

 

KJV Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings (LOGOS) of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built (OIKODOMEW) his house upon a rock(PETRA).

 

PETRA as the rock fountain of life to the dead:

KJV 1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock(petra) that followed them: and that Rock(petra) was Christ.

 

"The currency of Peter's  name {PETROS} is confirmed"

 

".The currency of Peter's name {PETROS} is confirmed in Tal Ilan's identification of three additional first and second-century Palestinian Jewish individuals who bear the name Petros.[90] It is worth noting that the Palestinian Talmud and midrashim repeatedly feature an early Amoraic Rabbi Yose ben Petros, whose father constitutes proof that even this Greek name was by no means unknown in the early rabbinic period. A Jewish convert called Petrus also appears in a fifth-century Christian inscription from Grado in Italy..

            90 Ilan 2002 s.v. The first of these is Petros (c. 30 CE), a freedman of Agrippa's mother Berenice, whom Josephus mentions in passing in Ant. 18.6.3 §156 (v.l. Protos). The other two names are Patrin  ?????? son of Istomachus at Masada (ostracon no. 413, pre-73) and Patron ????? son of Joseph in a Bar Kokhba period papyrus deed at Nahal Hever (P.Yadin 46, 134 CE). Although these two names seem at first sight different from Petros, the Aramaic rendition of Greek names in -??  as ??- or ??- was in fact well established, as Ilan 2002:27 demonstrates (cf. similarly Dalman 1905:176).

91 E.g. y. Mo _ed Qat.. 3.6, 82d (bottom); y. _Abod. Zar. 3.1, 42c; Gen. Rab. 62.2; 92.2; 94.5 Exod. Rab. 52.3; Lev. Rab. 7.2. For additional references and discussion see Bacher 1892-99:1.128, 2:512, n. 5, and 3:598. The phenomenon of the Greek name ????? is also discussed by Dalman 1905:185. Cf. further Jastrow s.v.: the spelling varies from ?????? to ????? and ????. This in turn would account for the wide range of vocalisations encountered in the various English translations. ????? in t. Demai 1.11 is a place-name. -Bockmuehl, Markus. 2004. Simon Peter's Names in Jewish Sources. Journal of Jewish Studies 55:71-72

 

 

The existence of an Aramaic PETROS means the sample considered was too small

 

"PETROS.Fr. the beginning it was prob. thought of as the Gk. equivalent of the Aramaic Keph Keephas; J 1:42; cf. Mt 16:18"- A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Bauer; University of Chicago Press, 1979) p. 654.

 

 "Probably thought", not "is". The conclusion is a hasty generalization---the sample too small, there are other relevant words, for example, the Aramaic PETROS which in transliterated Greek, is spelled PETROS but has a radically different meaning.

 

Simon called PETROS before Christ surnamed him Cephas in John 1:42

 

KJV  John 1:40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's (PETROS) brother. (Joh 1:40 KJV)

 

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

 18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.

 19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.

 20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.

 21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.

 (Mat 4:17-21 KJV)

 

Simon "who is called Peter" ( ton legomenon petron), cp Mat 27:17 Jesus "who is called" Christ (ton legomenon christon).

 

While some argue the present tense describes what was happening as Matthew wrote---"the one commonly called Peter" (now), that is less parsimonous, unhistorical, contrary to accurately describing the event as it happened.

 

It follows Jesus did not give Simon the name PETROS in John 1:42

 

When John translates Aramaic into Greek, it is METHERMENEUW, when he explains what the Aramaic means it is HERMENEUW:

38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted(HERMENEUW), Master,) where dwellest thou?

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41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted(METHERMENEUW), the Christ.

42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation(HERMENEUW), A stone.(Joh 1:38-42 KJV)

 

Compare:

 

KJV John 9:7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation(HERMENEUW), Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing. (Joh 9:7 KJV)

 

Although HERMENEUW can be found outside scripture as "translate," that is not John's usage. It is unhistorical to read into KEPHA what it became later, a proper name. Here it is an epithet, an idiom, not a name; therefore, John would not translate it into a proper name, rather he is interpreting it to be a stone.

 

It is parsimonous Christ meant  KEPHA as it is found in the Aramaic Targums, and so John chose the Attic Greek "petros" because it means "small stone":

 

Pr 3:15 "more precious than rubies," Aramaic KEPHA Heb. paniyn, lxx lithos;  

Pr 17:8 "stone of grace," Aramaic KEPHA; Heb. eben  cheen, lxx misthos charitwn, gracious reward.  [That is, a stone for a bribe, to buy favor].

-"Dictionary of the Targumim Talmud  Babli, Yerushalmi and Midrashic  Literature," Marcus Jastrow [Judaica  Press, NT, 1996], pp. 634-635).  

 

As KEPHA=PETROS (Attic)=LITHOS (Koine) it follows  Christ called Simon a precious "lively stone" which Simon later applies to the church:

 

4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.(1Pe 2:4-6 KJV)

 

The imagery is derived from Christ---the Rockmass KEPHA/PETRA, which Moses was to strike once (Ex 17:6; 1 Cor 10:4) for living water to come out.

 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock PETRA that followed them: and that Rock PETRA was Christ. (1Co 10:4 KJV)

 

Believers are little christs" (CHRISTIANOS), lively stones that figuratively purchase favor from God preaching the immutable truth of Christ's Name---mediating life to all who believe.

 

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (Joh 7:38 KJV)

 

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (Joh 3:18 KJV)

 

Jesus surnamed Simon by putting upon him an epithet

 

16 And Simon he surnamed (EPITITHEMI)  Peter (PETROS);

17 And James the son of Zebedee, and John the brother of James; and he surnamed (EPITITHEMI) them Boanerges, which is, The sons of thunder:

(Mar 3:16-17 KJV)

 

Boanerges is an epithet, idiom, not a proper name, hence neither of these men are ever called this name. Jesus put the meaning "of sons of thunder" on the pair. It follows Jesus also put upon Simon a meaning, not a proper name.

 

The only place in Scripture where Jesus says, "Thou art PETROS," is Matthew 16:18, not John 1:42 where He called him "Cephas".

 

What meaning did Jesus put upon Simon? Scripture says all who confess Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, via divine revelation, are born again (Rom 10:8ff; John 1:12; 1 John 4:15). It follows Jesus called Simon "Firstborn of the Gospel of Christ". Context supports this exegesis:

 

KJV  Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (Mat 16:17 KJV)

 

In this Makarism we find an undeveloped double entendre, rather than writing "Son of Jonah" in Greek (huios Iwna, Joh 1:42 TR), Matthew conveys Jesus' EPITITHEMI via the epithet BARIWNA---Simon is "blessed" for receiving and proclaiming divine revelation just like Jonah the Prophet (cp Mat 12:39-41; 16:4). Having risen from the dead speaking the Word of Life, Simon is just like him = born again. Compare:

5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

 6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

 7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

 8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

 9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

 10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

 2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

  (Jon 2:5-2:2 KJV)

 

 

Only a child of God is given keys to His Kingdom, as Peter was promised the keys then, it follows he was born then.

KJV  Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: (Mat 16:19 KJV)

 

Matthew CONFIRMS Simon is the First (PRWTOS):

 

 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first (PRWTOS), Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

-Mat 10:2 KJV

 

As "First Simon" is not followed by "Second Andrew", "Third James" etc... This is not a numbering system.  In addition, the LORD expressly forbade thinking any were PRWTOS in the "Chief" sense:

 

27 And whosoever will be chief (PRWTOS) among you, let him be your servant: (Mat 20:27 KJV)

 

Only one likely meaning remains: Simon is the FIRST of the group born of the Gospel of Christ, and Matthew emphasized that by calling Simon "First" and so lists him first.

 

Peter's confession was unique, the first (PRWTOS) of its kind

 

Peter's confession was a product of divine revelation of Christ's Name in the heart and mouth hence archetypical of the entire Church (16:17 cp Rom 10:8f)), unlike others which preceded it in time (14:24-33; Mark 6:49-52) but were the product of human emotion and intellect (cf James 2:19f). Observe John doesn't mention a confession when relating the same event (John 6:19-21) and none of these result in a Makarism:

 

49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.  (Joh 1:49-50 KJV)

 

The parallels between this event and Romans 10:8ff indicate dependence:

 

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (Rom 10:8-10 KJV)

 

Divine revelation of Jesus' Name is put in Peter's heart and mouth, the word of faith John says is required for eternal life. Peter confessed this publicly, he was the first to do so via divine inspiration.

 

Corroborating this is Paul's switch from PETROS to KEPHA, in Gal 2:9:

 

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars -KJV

 

Evidently Paul switches from PETROS to Cephas in Galatians 2:9 (TR) because PETROS("Firstborn") didn't covey the stone metaphors Paul wanted for his caustic review of "those who seemed to be somewhat.seemed to be pillars", these lamps of fire guiding the people imparted no light to Paul (cp Gal 2:6,9 with Ex 13:21; cf also Berachoth 28b). Peter is both a pillar and a KEPHA stone of grace, a small precious stone benefiting the holder:

 



 

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« Reply #179 on: January 14, 2010, 04:49:57 PM »

And yet, he's still not done department:

Therefore Peter failed both as a pillar and as a stone of grace. Rather than a guiding light to the Gospel of Christ, Peter cowers in fear following followers James failed to guide correctly, into error.even against the vision God gave him! (Ac 10:34). Ironic indeed for a pillar and a kepha.

 

As would be expected in unsound eclectic texts, the change from Cephas (Gal 1:18; 2:9, 11, 14) to petros (2:7, 8) is purely random, a property not found in Paul's expositions, who arguably had a reason for every word carefully chosen. That contradicts the claim these are accurate copies.

 

However, in a footnote Professor Cullmann argues for dependence from these texts:

 

14 .'The proper name Peter does not appear at all in pagan literature; it first appears in Tertullian.' There was, on the contrary, as already mentioned (note 12), an Aramaic name ????? (Petros), which perhaps is to be connected with ??? (patar) "firstborn". The theory that the Greek Petros was first derived from it and gave occasion for a false retranslation Kepha into Aramaic is quite impossible, in view of the fact that in Paul's letters Cephas is already the usual designation and Peter clearly was only a derivation from it."-PETER Disciple-Apostle-Martyr, by Oscar Cullmann , translated from the German by Floyd V. Filson (Westminister Press, Philadelphia, 1953), pp18-19. 

 

However, as Prof Cullmann's argument would yield the opposite conclusion in John--Cephas appears only once, but PETROS 35 times, it must be unsound. The middle term is undistributed and the reasoning circular as its conclusion also one of its premises.

 

 

 

When we suppose the Early Church "fathers" confused PETROS (Firstborn) as PETROS (stone), the reason for their similar interpretations of "the Rock" is clear--- They tried to remain true to apostolic exegesis, and somehow include Peter. Later Peter supplanted all reference to the content of his confession

 

 

 

Roman Catholic Archbishop Peter Richard Kenrick prepared a paper to be delivered at Vatican I (1870), in which he noted that five interpretations of the word "rock" were held in antiquity:

1.     The first declared that the church was built on Peter, endorsed by seventeen fathers.

2.     The second understood the words as referring to all the apostles, Peter being simply the Primate, the opinion of eight fathers.

3.     The third asserted that the words applied to the faith that Peter professed, espoused by forty-four fathers, some of whom are the most important and representative.

4.     The fourth declared that the words were to be understood of Jesus Christ, the church being built upon him, the view of sixteen fathers.

5.     The fifth understood the term "rock" to apply to the faithful themselves who, by believing in Christ, were made the living stones in the temple of his body, an opinion held by only very few (107-108).- Journal of Biblical apologetics : Volume 3. 2001 (16). Las Vegas, N.V.: Christian Scholar's Press, Inc.. p. 16.

 

TERTULLIAN: If, because the Lord has said to Peter, 'Upon this rock I will build My Church,' 'to thee have I given the keys of the heavenly kingdom;' or, 'Whatsoever thou shalt have bound or loosed in earth, shall be bound or loosed in the heavens,' you therefore presume that the power of binding and loosing has derived to you, that is, to every Church akin to Peter, what sort of man are you, subverting and wholly changing the manifest intention of the Lord, conferring (as that intention did) this (gift) personally upon Peter? 'On thee,' He says, 'will I build My church;' and, 'I will give thee the keys'...and, 'Whatsoever thou shalt have loosed or bound'...In (Peter) himself the Church was reared; that is, through (Peter) himself; (Peter) himself essayed the key; you see what key: 'Men of Israel, let what I say sink into your ears: Jesus the Nazarene, a man destined by God for you,' and so forth. (Peter) himself, therefore, was the first to unbar, in Christ's baptism, the entrance to the heavenly kingdom, in which kingdom are 'loosed' the sins that were beforetime 'bound;' and those which have not been 'loosed' are 'bound,' in accordance with true salvation...(Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1951), Volume IV, Tertullian, On Modesty 21, p. 99).

 

 Theodore of Mopsuestia: This is not the property of Peter alone, but it came about on behalf of every human being. Having said that his confession is a rock, he stated that upon this rock I will build my church. This means he will build his church upon this same confession and faith.-Fragment 92, Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 2002).

 

"And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock will I build my Church;" that is, on the faith of his confession. "-John Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Matthew LIV.3

 

". when Simon Bar Yona {St. Peter} declared that  Our Lord Jesus Christ is the son of God, and on this specific point in FAITH Our Lord Jesus Christ built the Holy Church." -V. Rev. Fr. Boutros Touma Issa, St Ephraim Syriac Orthodox Church

 

"Upon this rock I will build my church" (Matt. 16:18). That the rock spoken of was the faith, not the person of Peter, was a common explanation of the fathers. Owen (Person of Christ, preface) cites the following: "Origen (tractate in Matt. 16) expressly denies the words to be spoken of Peter: 'If you shall think that the whole church was built on Peter alone, what shall we say of John and each of the apostles? Shall we dare to say that the gates of hell shall not prevail against Peter alone? Hilary (Concerning the Trinity 2) says: 'This is the only immovable foundation; this is the rock of faith confessed by Peter, You are the Son of the living God.' And Epiphanius (Heresies 39) declares, 'Upon this rock of assured faith (epi te petra taute tes asphalous pisteos)? ? I will build my church.' ' One or two more out of Augustine shall close these testimonies (Sermon concerning the Words of the Lord 13): 'Upon this rock which you have confessed, upon this rock which you have known, saying, You are Christ, the Son of the living God, I will build my church, that is, on me myself, the Son of the living God, I will build my church." Shedd, W. G. T., & Gomes, A. W. (2003). Dogmatic theology. "First one-volume edition (3 vols. in 1)"--Jacket. (3rd ed.) (p. 791). Phillipsburg, N.J.: P & R Pub.

 

PETROS should be added to any list of Aramaic/Hebrew transliterations in the NT---abba; bar; batos; elooi; ephphatha; kokrban; korbanas; lama; mamoonas; maran atha; rhabbi; rhabbouni; rhabitha; rhaka; sabachthani; talitha koum, SIMWN, IAKWBOS, ZEBEDAIOS, IWANNES, BARTHOLOMAIOS, THWMAS, ALPHAIOS, IOUDAS ISKARIOTES (Mat 10:2-4) etc.

 

39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better. (Luk 5:39 KJV)

 

The old wine accepts "Peter is the Rock" and then argues it does not follow Rome's pope is Peter's successor. Many will resist changing their apologetic. However, it is inefficient to refute a lie after agreeing with it.

 

The "Peter is the rock" theory is pernicious novelty, not this exegesis.

 

KJV  1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. (1Co 4:6 KJV)

 

Like the Flat Earth and global warming theories, the Peter is the Rock consensus is certainly wrong, a tradition of men.

 

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ADDENDUM

 

Gates of Hell Symbolize impotence in death.

 

KJV  Matthew 16:18 ...and the gates of hell (pulai hadou) shall not prevail against it. (Mat 16:18 KJV)

 

KJV  Isaiah 38:10 I said in the cutting off of my days, I shall go to the gates of the grave(SHEOL; pulai hadou LXX): I am deprived of the residue of my years. (Isa 38:10 KJV)

Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.  4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.  5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.  6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 

 

"Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it" referring to His promise to build His church upon the immutable Truth He is the Christ the Son of God.

 

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?  21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 

 

KJV  Psalm 9:13 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou that liftest me up from the gates of death: (Psa 9:13 KJV)

 

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 (1Co 15:55-57 KJV)

 

Ephesians 4:8-13  8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.  9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?  10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


Satan and Demons are irrelevant to the Gates of Hell; they fear the entrance into the deep:

 

28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

 31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

 32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.

33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked. (Luk 8:33 KJV)

 

 

This prefigures the involuntary manner in which Satan and crew are driven into the Lake of fire (Rev 20:10), revealing they are bound first (cp Mat. 22:13), illustrated by their involuntarily rushing to their doom, clearly unable to inflict harm upon anyone else, ever again. God rules in hell, not the devil--- if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. (Psa 139:8 KJV)

 

 

"Keys of the kingdom of heaven" open door to all of God's blessings

 

A "key" opens, grants access:

 

52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. (Luk 11:52 KJV)

 

Compare:

R. Johanan said: Three keys the Holy One blessed be He has retained in His own hands and not entrusted to the hand of any messenger, namely, the Key of Rain, the Key of Childbirth, and the Key of the Revival of the Dead. The Key of Rain, for It is written, The Lord will open unto thee His good treasure, the heaven to give the rain of thy land in its season,20 The Key of Childbirth, for it is written, And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened.-Ta'anith 2a

 

Man ratifies and obeys God's decrees learned once the keys unbind the Presence of God

 

 "Whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."-J.R. Mantey, "The Mistranslation of the Perfect Tense in John 20:23, Mt 16:19 and Mt 18:18."

 

Peter's new birth precipitated the promise, but it had to wait for the right time:

 

KJV  Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Mat 16:19 KJV)

 

Will give unto you the keys, then future because Jesus' glorification then future:

 

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 (Joh 7:38-39 KJV)

 

The time was not yet for veil to be rent:

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. (Mat 16:20 KJV)

 

 "Keys"---plural of majesty.

 

 Compare key to the entire realm of the dead (Rev 20:13), keys of hell and death. Present also is the idea of Death personified , hell (the unseen realm) swallows his victims (Rev 6:8). Christ defeated him and took his "keys":

 

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Rev 1:18 KJV)

 

Death as slayer sends everyone into hell, both good and bad (Gen 37:35; Num 16:30-33; Psa  86:13; Eccl 9:10). A "great gulf" divides this realm, the upper (Eccl 3:21; Luk 16:23) is paradise, third heaven (1 Cor 12:2-4 cp 1 Th 4:14) or "Abraham's bosom; the lower where sinners are in torments (Luke 16:22-26; cp Rev 20:13-15). As all in Adam die (1 Cor 15:22), there is only one key needed into hell.  Hence, the plural of majesty signifies complete authority over death and his realm. Compare "heavens" Mat 3:2; 2 Cor 5:1; Applied to an object, "Crowns" Zech 9:11; Animal, ("Cattles")"Behemoth" Job 40:15.

 

This immutable life giving truth Jesus is the Christ, God's Eternal Son, are the "Keys of the Kingdom" opening Heaven to God's Elect, unbinding all the good God has for them.

 

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My name is Alfred Persson, amateur researcher and lay apologist for Christ, aka "LetsObeyChrist".

 

 



While researching Mat 16:18 I happened upon earlier German scholarship an Aramaic PETROS meaning "firstborn" existed in Christ's day. That was the missing piece of the puzzle; ambiguity vanished.

 

Now the veil over Romans 10:8ff  is removed, its Paul's take on Peter's confession in Mat 16:17,  Peter is the first of those who called upon the Name of the LORD, after the Divine Word was gifted to him. No need to go to heaven, to bring God's truth down from above, or travel to the deep, to bring it up from its hiding place, because the God in whom we live and move and have our being, will Himself put the life gushing PETRA in our mouth and in our heart:

 

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 (Rom 10:6-10 KJV)

 

To make the PETRA known is why the Bible was written:

 

KJV John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

4 ...many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Dan 12:4 KJV)

 

Some have asked why I am sending this...

            I am hoping to replicate my publicizing the Watch Tower Society's use of spiritist Johannes Greber to support their John 1:1 "a god" rendering. (New World Translation)  After I alerted Christian apologists they did this, via email, they made it known to all.

 

This information is much more important:

1) All religious claim of infallibility is an embarrassment.

2) The grammar expertly conveys the non-verbal content of Jesus' elegant double entendre, therefore the author was an eyewitness and likely Matthew just as tradition says.

3) Greek Primacy---the Aramaic versions followed the false retranslation of PETROS as Kepha  (except in Joh 1:42 (Old Syriac) Ac 1:13, 1 Pe 1:1, 2 Pe 1:1), therefore these are copies of the Greek texts if my hypothesis is correct.

4) The Textus Receptus Galatians is clearly superior to all eclectic texts--the vacuous switching from Kepha to Petros proof the unproven assumptions undergirding the variant readings in these texts must be unsound. (Added to all the other proofs the Textus Receptus is trustworthy, we have an overwhelming mass of irrefutable evidence it is the superior text).

 

However, by far the greatest benefit of this exegesis is the identification of what precisely makes one a member of the One Holy Universal Church. Divine revelation of the Word of God in the believer's heart, publicly confessed, converts the dead into lively stones that "built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." (1Pe 2:5 KJV)

 

It is certain our salvation is a work of God:

 

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:8-10 KJV)

 

 

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (Joh 3:5-7 KJV)


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