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« Reply #60 on: November 09, 2012, 08:38:17 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: November 09, 2012, 08:43:46 AM »

Thanks for all the good thoughts, which are much appreciated.  I'm weighing many things here and I understand all points of view.  I have no idea if any of this is emanating from the youngster - there's no way for me to know that unfortunately.  I think these people live in some kind of bubble and it's all about them.  These are people who called me their guardian angel, these are people who told me I was family and then these are people who disappeared, then tried to make contact, which I responded to very positively while addressing the central problem.  I received a kind of half-assed apology, to which I replied again very positively, saying I was glad we were past it - after which silence. 

I have no idea whether they plan to do the act again, but if and when that happens I will put a stop to it.  That part is easy and it will be done by a lawyer, not me.  I've explained it all here - no need to beat it to death.  The only question is to send or not to send.  I'm going to re-read it in a bit and see how I feel.  Some people suggest sending it and being done with it once and for all.  I don't care about burning bridges when I'm not treated well and anyone who has read and understood the Kritzer books will understand my reaction here.  The real question for me is if I don't send it will it continue to bug me - if I don't send it they never really know how I feel.  I see no reason to temper what I wrote because they deserve to hear it in the strongest possible way.  I don't expect any good to come from it IF I send it, and I don't care if any good comes from it.  On the other hand, in the end other than getting it off my chest, what does it gain me?  Nothing will change and they've done the damage, really.  For all I know, they may be going through difficult times, but all it takes is a one-line e-mail of congratulations and thanks.  How bloody hard is that?  Certainly this woman is all over Facebook begging her friends to vote for her daughter - apparently she has all the time in the world for that and to contact every human being she knows so they can vote, which is why Melody is currently in second place.  I'm easy - thank me and appreciate me if I've done something beyond the call of duty for your child - if I've put in a year and a half nurturing her talent and making her a better performer.  They probably think THEY did it all, but I have given this girl incredible opportunities and material no one in their right mind would have ever given her - and then I've directed her carefully and she's gotten better and better for it.  To just continue to ignore this reprehensible behavior is weird to me, but again, I understand all points of view here and I ultimately have to do what's going to make me the most comfortable so this doesn't gnaw at me.  If I can truly wash it down the drain and not have residue, that would be the best.  I don't know that that's possible, though.
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« Reply #62 on: November 09, 2012, 08:53:24 AM »

And the word of the day is: CAUTELOUS!

And The Song Of The Day Is:  DETOUR AHEAD
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« Reply #63 on: November 09, 2012, 09:06:24 AM »

"Here's To Us,For All That We Have

And The Road That We've Travelled So Far

Skies Of Blue,And Muddling Through

And For Me And For You As We Are

....Here's To Us Forever And Always"


HAPPY ANNIVERSARY ALL !!!
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« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2012, 09:16:44 AM »

Mr. Song of the Day Arnold Brockman was one of the posters on the first day of HHW

Hello Brucie...Hello Brucie...
Back where you belong!!!

Posted by Arnold M. Brockman @ 11/12/2001 09:02 AM PST


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« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2012, 09:18:06 AM »


Is she still doing the act, as you created it, elsewhere?

Are you able to legally  place an injunction on her doing the act?

My questions/thoughts as well.

I feel bad for the girl caught in the middle of this.
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« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2012, 09:19:55 AM »

My advice:

Don't send the letter.

I have no idea what the situation is, but you've already vented your emotions in writing the letter. 

Sending ti can only throw gasoline onto the fire.

Let it go!

Agreed, and the letter could be used against.
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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2012, 09:25:31 AM »

Thanks for all the good thoughts, which are much appreciated.  I'm weighing many things here and I understand all points of view.  I have no idea if any of this is emanating from the youngster - there's no way for me to know that unfortunately.  I think these people live in some kind of bubble and it's all about them.  These are people who called me their guardian angel, these are people who told me I was family and then these are people who disappeared, then tried to make contact, which I responded to very positively while addressing the central problem.  I received a kind of half-assed apology, to which I replied again very positively, saying I was glad we were past it - after which silence. 

I have no idea whether they plan to do the act again, but if and when that happens I will put a stop to it.  That part is easy and it will be done by a lawyer, not me.  I've explained it all here - no need to beat it to death.  The only question is to send or not to send.  I'm going to re-read it in a bit and see how I feel.  Some people suggest sending it and being done with it once and for all.  I don't care about burning bridges when I'm not treated well and anyone who has read and understood the Kritzer books will understand my reaction here.  The real question for me is if I don't send it will it continue to bug me - if I don't send it they never really know how I feel.  I see no reason to temper what I wrote because they deserve to hear it in the strongest possible way.  I don't expect any good to come from it IF I send it, and I don't care if any good comes from it.  On the other hand, in the end other than getting it off my chest, what does it gain me?  Nothing will change and they've done the damage, really.  For all I know, they may be going through difficult times, but all it takes is a one-line e-mail of congratulations and thanks.  How bloody hard is that?  Certainly this woman is all over Facebook begging her friends to vote for her daughter - apparently she has all the time in the world for that and to contact every human being she knows so they can vote, which is why Melody is currently in second place.  I'm easy - thank me and appreciate me if I've done something beyond the call of duty for your child - if I've put in a year and a half nurturing her talent and making her a better performer.  They probably think THEY did it all, but I have given this girl incredible opportunities and material no one in their right mind would have ever given her - and then I've directed her carefully and she's gotten better and better for it.  To just continue to ignore this reprehensible behavior is weird to me, but again, I understand all points of view here and I ultimately have to do what's going to make me the most comfortable so this doesn't gnaw at me.  If I can truly wash it down the drain and not have residue, that would be the best.  I don't know that that's possible, though.

I read all of your hurt here.  It seems all your email needs to say is that your are hurt or disappointed not to have received a thank you for all of your hard work.

On the other hand, they may be hurt you did not send a note of congratulations.
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« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2012, 09:31:51 AM »

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« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2012, 10:04:03 AM »

BK, I'm in the don't send the e-mail camp.  The trouble with an e-mail (or with a facebook post or a tweet or anything internetty for that matter) what you feel that you've expressed in the message may not be what the recipient gets from it.  Is it possible to meet up with these people at some time and let them know face-to-face how you feel?
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« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2012, 10:05:39 AM »

@@@@@  HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO HHW AND ALL YOU HHW'ers OUT THERE!  @@@@@
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Re: HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO US
« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2012, 10:07:17 AM »

Wishing us all a happy HHW anniversary!!!!









Thanks Bruce, for giving us such a wonderful place to hang out!!
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2012, 10:12:48 AM »

Thanks for all the good thoughts, which are much appreciated.  I'm weighing many things here and I understand all points of view.  I have no idea if any of this is emanating from the youngster - there's no way for me to know that unfortunately.  I think these people live in some kind of bubble and it's all about them.  These are people who called me their guardian angel, these are people who told me I was family and then these are people who disappeared, then tried to make contact, which I responded to very positively while addressing the central problem.  I received a kind of half-assed apology, to which I replied again very positively, saying I was glad we were past it - after which silence. 

I have no idea whether they plan to do the act again, but if and when that happens I will put a stop to it.  That part is easy and it will be done by a lawyer, not me.  I've explained it all here - no need to beat it to death.  The only question is to send or not to send.  I'm going to re-read it in a bit and see how I feel.  Some people suggest sending it and being done with it once and for all.  I don't care about burning bridges when I'm not treated well and anyone who has read and understood the Kritzer books will understand my reaction here.  The real question for me is if I don't send it will it continue to bug me - if I don't send it they never really know how I feel.  I see no reason to temper what I wrote because they deserve to hear it in the strongest possible way.  I don't expect any good to come from it IF I send it, and I don't care if any good comes from it.  On the other hand, in the end other than getting it off my chest, what does it gain me?  Nothing will change and they've done the damage, really.  For all I know, they may be going through difficult times, but all it takes is a one-line e-mail of congratulations and thanks.  How bloody hard is that?  Certainly this woman is all over Facebook begging her friends to vote for her daughter - apparently she has all the time in the world for that and to contact every human being she knows so they can vote, which is why Melody is currently in second place.  I'm easy - thank me and appreciate me if I've done something beyond the call of duty for your child - if I've put in a year and a half nurturing her talent and making her a better performer.  They probably think THEY did it all, but I have given this girl incredible opportunities and material no one in their right mind would have ever given her - and then I've directed her carefully and she's gotten better and better for it.  To just continue to ignore this reprehensible behavior is weird to me, but again, I understand all points of view here and I ultimately have to do what's going to make me the most comfortable so this doesn't gnaw at me.  If I can truly wash it down the drain and not have residue, that would be the best.  I don't know that that's possible, though.

I read all of your hurt here.  It seems all your email needs to say is that your are hurt or disappointed not to have received a thank you for all of your hard work.

On the other hand, they may be hurt you did not send a note of congratulations.

Ah, but you see, I did congratulate them loudly on Facebook - on the mother's page and the daughter's.  That's why their rudeness is even worse.  In fact, it's disgusting. 
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« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2012, 10:16:47 AM »

"Here's To Us,For All That We Have

And The Road That We've Travelled So Far

Skies Of Blue,And Muddling Through

And For Me And For You As We Are

....Here's To Us Forever And Always"


HAPPY ANNIVERSARY ALL !!!
I was just singing that song when I logged in. Then I found your message! I love it when that happens.
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« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2012, 10:18:01 AM »


Is she still doing the act, as you created it, elsewhere?

Are you able to legally  place an injunction on her doing the act?

My questions/thoughts as well.

I feel bad for the girl caught in the middle of this.

I'm not sure the girl IS caught in the middle - there's no way for me to know that.  However, months ago when all this was starting, I contacted a lawyer about the act and, in fact, there is already a letter drafted that will be sent immediately should they attempt to book the act I created.  Oh, they can do some act, but they can't use the songs I wrote, the title, any of the patter I contributed to (80%) or any of my arrangements that I provided gratis (70%).  I control all of that.

And the decision has been made.  I will not send the e-mail - it was good to write it and be done with it, but after talking to a mutual friend theirs and mine, there's just no point.  These people live in their own peculiar world and just don't get it.  And if they don't get it (and this mutual friend has tried to make them get it) then nothing I write will help them.  I know that I did a lot for their child and I feel good about that.  And that's the bottom line. 
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« Reply #75 on: November 09, 2012, 10:20:30 AM »

And this was sent to me - a rave video review of my latest tome.  Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luGKI3XXkew&feature=youtu.be

Very nice review, BK!
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« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2012, 10:22:10 AM »

In other news, I'm on my way to the editing room.  I woke up this morning with a thought about episode one - something that's been buzzing in the back of my mind.  I discussed it early this morning with the editor, who understood what I was talking about but wasn't sure he agreed completely.  Then I talked to a couple of people who were at the screening and got their opinions, and the editor came up with a solution that would help address my concern but not make it a huge change, basically just removing one little shot.  I felt there's a song where we reveal something and this morning I began to question if the reveal wasn't splitting the joke or the focus.  It certainly worked fine at the screening, but the editor's suggestion is to perhaps hold the reveal till the second verse of the song.  I do think that might help so we're going in to see if we like that change.  If so, we'll make it and he'll make me two new files - compressed and uncompressed and I'll have both versions and I can watch tomorrow and make my decision just before I upload.  This is the problem with being a nitpicky perfectionist.
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« Reply #77 on: November 09, 2012, 10:26:09 AM »

The trouble with an e-mail (or with a facebook post or a tweet or anything internetty for that matter) what you feel that you've expressed in the message may not be what the recipient gets from it. 

So very true.  It is difficult enough in person.
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« Reply #78 on: November 09, 2012, 10:26:11 AM »

Good luck with the re-edit, BK. :)
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« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2012, 10:26:49 AM »

And now, I've been at home far too long and must get my butt-cheeks (and the rest of me) to work.

Have a good day, all!
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« Reply #80 on: November 09, 2012, 10:30:18 AM »

Thanks for all the good thoughts, which are much appreciated.  I'm weighing many things here and I understand all points of view.  I have no idea if any of this is emanating from the youngster - there's no way for me to know that unfortunately.  I think these people live in some kind of bubble and it's all about them.  These are people who called me their guardian angel, these are people who told me I was family and then these are people who disappeared, then tried to make contact, which I responded to very positively while addressing the central problem.  I received a kind of half-assed apology, to which I replied again very positively, saying I was glad we were past it - after which silence. 

I have no idea whether they plan to do the act again, but if and when that happens I will put a stop to it.  That part is easy and it will be done by a lawyer, not me.  I've explained it all here - no need to beat it to death.  The only question is to send or not to send.  I'm going to re-read it in a bit and see how I feel.  Some people suggest sending it and being done with it once and for all.  I don't care about burning bridges when I'm not treated well and anyone who has read and understood the Kritzer books will understand my reaction here.  The real question for me is if I don't send it will it continue to bug me - if I don't send it they never really know how I feel.  I see no reason to temper what I wrote because they deserve to hear it in the strongest possible way.  I don't expect any good to come from it IF I send it, and I don't care if any good comes from it.  On the other hand, in the end other than getting it off my chest, what does it gain me?  Nothing will change and they've done the damage, really.  For all I know, they may be going through difficult times, but all it takes is a one-line e-mail of congratulations and thanks.  How bloody hard is that?  Certainly this woman is all over Facebook begging her friends to vote for her daughter - apparently she has all the time in the world for that and to contact every human being she knows so they can vote, which is why Melody is currently in second place.  I'm easy - thank me and appreciate me if I've done something beyond the call of duty for your child - if I've put in a year and a half nurturing her talent and making her a better performer.  They probably think THEY did it all, but I have given this girl incredible opportunities and material no one in their right mind would have ever given her - and then I've directed her carefully and she's gotten better and better for it.  To just continue to ignore this reprehensible behavior is weird to me, but again, I understand all points of view here and I ultimately have to do what's going to make me the most comfortable so this doesn't gnaw at me.  If I can truly wash it down the drain and not have residue, that would be the best.  I don't know that that's possible, though.

I read all of your hurt here.  It seems all your email needs to say is that your are hurt or disappointed not to have received a thank you for all of your hard work.

On the other hand, they may be hurt you did not send a note of congratulations.

Ah, but you see, I did congratulate them loudly on Facebook - on the mother's page and the daughter's.  That's why their rudeness is even worse.  In fact, it's disgusting. 

You did the right thing.  You might ask if they saw your comments on FB, which the probably did.  I really think that would be enough. 

I'm actually kind of surprised you are still on FB with them.  Of course good for you so you can track if they are using your material or not.  Send the email & they might remove you.

Bruce I used to write letters like this to my sister and then not send them.  The few I did taught me that it was useless. 
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« Reply #81 on: November 09, 2012, 10:33:10 AM »


Is she still doing the act, as you created it, elsewhere?

Are you able to legally  place an injunction on her doing the act?

My questions/thoughts as well.

I feel bad for the girl caught in the middle of this.

I'm not sure the girl IS caught in the middle - there's no way for me to know that.  However, months ago when all this was starting, I contacted a lawyer about the act and, in fact, there is already a letter drafted that will be sent immediately should they attempt to book the act I created.  Oh, they can do some act, but they can't use the songs I wrote, the title, any of the patter I contributed to (80%) or any of my arrangements that I provided gratis (70%).  I control all of that.

And the decision has been made.  I will not send the e-mail - it was good to write it and be done with it, but after talking to a mutual friend theirs and mine, there's just no point.  These people live in their own peculiar world and just don't get it.  And if they don't get it (and this mutual friend has tried to make them get it) then nothing I write will help them.  I know that I did a lot for their child and I feel good about that.  And that's the bottom line. 

I am relieved you aren't sending it.  Since the girl didn't respond at all to your FB comments she may not be as much in the middle as one would think.  Either way, they are her parent's and she won't go against their wishes.

I'm sorry this all happened.
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« Reply #82 on: November 09, 2012, 10:37:30 AM »

In other news, I'm on my way to the editing room.  I woke up this morning with a thought about episode one - something that's been buzzing in the back of my mind.  I discussed it early this morning with the editor, who understood what I was talking about but wasn't sure he agreed completely.  Then I talked to a couple of people who were at the screening and got their opinions, and the editor came up with a solution that would help address my concern but not make it a huge change, basically just removing one little shot.  I felt there's a song where we reveal something and this morning I began to question if the reveal wasn't splitting the joke or the focus.  It certainly worked fine at the screening, but the editor's suggestion is to perhaps hold the reveal till the second verse of the song.  I do think that might help so we're going in to see if we like that change.  If so, we'll make it and he'll make me two new files - compressed and uncompressed and I'll have both versions and I can watch tomorrow and make my decision just before I upload.  This is the problem with being a nitpicky perfectionist.
The world needs more nitpicky perfectionists.
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« Reply #83 on: November 09, 2012, 10:39:34 AM »

On the way to Best Buy yesterday to return the keyboard Keith had purchased, and wasn't thrilled with, we discussed if I should get the mini-iPad your not.  Having tested the Nook app on Keith's iPad we found I won't be able to purchase books from Barnes & Noble or keep a wish list with them.  My library selection would also be rather limited.

I said, I suppose I will get the new Nook Color and Keith responded that he had just, yesterday morning, read something about a new Nook HD 7" tablet coming out shortly.  While I ran into the mall to buy a desk calendar I wanted he looked up info on it.  The review he found was very good. 

Delay long enough have new technology keeps coming out.  I have high hopes I will soon be able to upgrade, my sometimes difficult, Nook Color. :)
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« Reply #84 on: November 09, 2012, 10:40:15 AM »

I stayed home from the gym today to clean the house.  I had better get started.
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« Reply #87 on: November 09, 2012, 10:58:45 AM »

On the way to Best Buy yesterday to return the keyboard Keith had purchased, and wasn't thrilled with, we discussed if I should get the mini-iPad your not.  Having tested the Nook app on Keith's iPad we found I won't be able to purchase books from Barnes & Noble or keep a wish list with them.  My library selection would also be rather limited.

I said, I suppose I will get the new Nook Color and Keith responded that he had just, yesterday morning, read something about a new Nook HD 7" tablet coming out shortly.  While I ran into the mall to buy a desk calendar I wanted he looked up info on it.  The review he found was very good. 

Delay long enough have new technology keeps coming out.  I have high hopes I will soon be able to upgrade, my sometimes difficult, Nook Color. :)

I recently entrusted my Nook Color in the hands of someone at church. He took it and now I have a devise on which I can get both Nook and Kindle and just read them separately. Now, if only I had time to read ...
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« Reply #88 on: November 09, 2012, 11:17:16 AM »

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Jennifer

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Re: HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO US
« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2012, 11:18:59 AM »

On the way to Best Buy yesterday to return the keyboard Keith had purchased, and wasn't thrilled with, we discussed if I should get the mini-iPad your not.  Having tested the Nook app on Keith's iPad we found I won't be able to purchase books from Barnes & Noble or keep a wish list with them.  My library selection would also be rather limited.

Why would you not be able to buy ebooks from Barnes & Noble on the ipad??  My sister has the kindle app on her ipad and she can buy from amazon.com just like i can from my kindle.
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