Topic: THE FLOOR MEN (Read 29530 times)

Charles Pogue · « **Reply #150 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:36:42 PM »

elmore, thanks for the insightful comments on how this all works in the music world.

Of course the one thing that plays and musical compositions always have over films is that they can be done and re-done and exist in many versions at the same time. So you can see as many good productions of Hamlet as bad and you can hear as many good renditions of Night and Day as bad ones.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen in the world of film. If a film script gets ruined, it's ruined for all time. Even if the film eventually gets re-made, they rarely go back to the original script.

S. Woody White · « **Reply #151 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:36:57 PM »

Quote from: JRand54 on March 14, 2005, 01:05:37 PM

Didn't Mr Hitchcock have Mrs Hitchcock go over the scripts he was doing?

Yes. Alma Reville (Mrs. H) also wrote much of his earlier work.

Several of Hitchcock's collaborators (writers) have commented on working with Hitchcock, discussing in detail what they both wanted to do. Hitchcock would then take the work to Alma, and the highest praise would be when he returned and said "Alma liked it."

Tomovoz · « **Reply #152 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:37:04 PM »

DR Elmore, if you get the chance, listen to Arlo Guthrie's version of "The City Of New Orleans". (I love the Collins version too). From memory, (not that reliable) the song did win a "Grammy" for its writer - way back when I watched the Awards and when the songs were songs!

Ron Pulliam · « **Reply #153 on:** March 14, 2005, 01:58:44 PM »

I have several issues going on today, all of them making me madder than hell.

One is the Mario Vasquez issue and his withdrawal from "American Idol." I'm mad because I've read of speculations about why he left, and those speculations have shed some lights on comments made to Mario by Simon Cowell after a performance, as well as aspersions being cast on another current contender:

http://www.afterelton.com/TV/2005/3/americanidol.html

What difference would it make???

And why are people in the 21st Century making such an issue over this?

Nothing else making me mad would be of the slightest interest to anyone here....except possibly BK if he has any dealings with PeterK of Movie Music Messageboard.

Matt H. · « **Reply #154 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:17:31 PM »

Thanks for the addy, DR Ron, because I had NO idea this was even a possibility. Admittedly, I have terrible gaydar, but this article was a complete revelation to me!

Thank god I don't visit the AI forums! All that bitter squabbling and name calling would turn me off in a second.

DERBRUCER · « **Reply #155 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:33:35 PM »

Quote from: Ron Pulliam on March 14, 2005, 01:58:44 PM

I have several issues going on today, all of them making me madder than hell.

One is the Mario Vasquez issue and his withdrawal from "American Idol." I'm mad because I've read of speculations about why he left, and those speculations have shed some lights on comments made to Mario by Simon Cowell after a performance, as well as aspersions being cast on another current contender:

I'm amazed it took almost 24 hours before the "Mario is Gay" stories hit the wires.

I also find this comment from your linked article interesting:

Quote

This week, after Mario crooned his way through a Bee Gees ballad, the calculating Simon cracked that “there’s something very charming about you,” which could be interpreted as code for girlish or gay.

1. "calculating Simon" has been an unabashed fan of Mario and would not say something to diminish his chances. Fairer comment would have been "...an admiring Simon observed..."

2. For a British Adult to use "charming" as an appellation applied to a fellow male is not "code", it is straight (pardon the expression) forward complimentary.

And as we both know ("gaydar" time) there is no news here!

der Brucer (and isn't Ryan just the "butchest" thing, ever!)

DearReaderLaura · « **Reply #156 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:38:24 PM »

I have nothing to add to today's discussion, so here is a photo of some swallows I saw on Saturday afternoon:

Jane · « **Reply #157 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:39:02 PM »

MBarnum I loved the book covers.

Ginny-good back vibes!

Sandra enjoy your vacation.

Rodzinski If you think your drive to LA was pretty than I’m guessing you didn’t take the I-5.

DERBRUCER · « **Reply #158 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:42:50 PM »

Quote from: vixmom on March 14, 2005, 12:12:40 PM

...an amethyst brooch only I could not pronounce the darn word no matter how I tried...

It could have been worse, she could have had a green thumb and favored her prized Amaryllis and
Aspidistras.

der Brucer

elmore3003 · « **Reply #159 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:44:10 PM »

Quote from: Charles Pogue on March 14, 2005, 01:36:42 PM

elmore, thanks for the insightful comments on how this all works in the music world.

Of course the one thing that plays and musical compositions always have over films is that they can be done and re-done and exist in many versions at the same time. So you can see as many good productions of Hamlet as bad and you can hear as many good renditions of Night and Day as bad ones.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen in the world of film. If a film script gets ruined, it's ruined for all time. Even if the film eventually gets re-made, they rarely go back to the original script.

Sad but true! And then, as in the case of the PSYCHO remake, who gives a damn? One thing I've regretted about a lot of the "revisical" movement in musical theatre is that, with the original writers out of the way, their work can be trashed by people who sometimes know or care less about why choices were made originally, or by people who often don't really like the original. The Roundabout's last destruction of THE BOYS FROM SYRACUSE is a perfect example. I'd like to see a musical revival approached as an opera: the score is kept, dance music and all, and the production gets an interesting new slant, not an overhaul.

Jane · « **Reply #160 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:47:33 PM »

Jose, after reading "How I Ate My Way From 14th and 9th Ave. Up to 168th and Broadway" I’m exhausted.

It sounds like a fun time. I could not have easily resisted the Williams-Sonoma store.

From what I hear you should have tried the rice pudding for dessert at Arties.

Ben · « **Reply #161 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:54:09 PM »

We just finished our delicious dinner, broiled salmon, wild rice and green beans.

Anthony is getting ready for a callback for a showcase here in the city. It's a new show based on authentic British music hall. The songs are all from the period that he knows and loves (the 1850s-1920s). He wowed them at the audition and now the callback. If he gets it, the show will run and end just before his possible Forum gig in Virginia at the end of May. I'm crossing my fingers.

I will have an apricot hamantaschen and then when Mr. Morelli leaves I will ride the exercise bike for an hour. That, my friends, is my plan for the evening.

Jane · « **Reply #162 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:54:22 PM »

Bruce my allergies were fine until we began ripping out cabinets this morning. We doesn’t include me. The contractor is doing the work.

SWW thanks for the Stephen Schwartz link.

Vixmom I hope someone spoke to the “guest conductor” regarding her lack of sensitivity. I know how you must have felt watching the event.

Rodzinski · « **Reply #163 on:** March 14, 2005, 02:56:27 PM »

Hey Jane!

It was 101 all the way for me.

Jane · « **Reply #164 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:00:06 PM »

CharlesPogue, nice photos of your London trip.

DERBRUCER · « **Reply #165 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:03:01 PM »

Quote from: Rodzinski on March 14, 2005, 02:56:27 PM

Hey Jane!

It was 101 all the way for me.

WOW - Scenic Salinas!

der Brucer

Jrand74 · « **Reply #166 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:09:55 PM »

Interesting article DR RON. Other speculation has been that Mario didn't want to be tied down to an AI recording contract and thought with his publicity, he might do better now on his own. Who knows?

Jane · « **Reply #167 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:10:06 PM »

Rodzinsku we take the 101 whenever possible. We just need at least one extra day for traveling from between Ashland and LA. Most often we take the 5 down and the 101 home.

Jane · « **Reply #168 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:11:13 PM »

My brother recommended we see "The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill", which isn’t playing here yet. All bird lovers should enjoy this link.

http://www.pelicanmedia.org/Film.html

Jrand74 · « **Reply #169 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:12:28 PM »

DREAMGIRLS....oh my DR SWW....I said oh my.

And of course I remember reading about a conference that Mr Irving Thalberg was having with his writers where he wasn't getting his way. He stood up and said: "What is all this fuss about writing anyway. It's just putting one word after another!"

Charles MacArthur paused a moment and then said: "No, Irving, it's putting one RIGHT word after another."

Jrand74 · « **Reply #170 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:13:00 PM »

Lovely photo DR LAURA.

DR RODZINSKI did you get my email?

Jennifer · « **Reply #171 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:21:34 PM »

Here is another AMERICAN IDOL article:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1498063/03142005/id_0.jhtml?headlines=true

Also, DR Ron, I read the link you provided and would be surprised if that was the reason why Mario had to withdraw. My first thought is perhaps he could be in some legal trouble. As well there were rumors (as DR Jrand implied) that he was signing a recording contract with another label.

Jane · « **Reply #172 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:22:59 PM »

I love the song MEADOWLARK.

I think I shall go for a walk and then listen to WICKED. I should get a portable CD player to keep me company now that I take most of my walks alone. Maybe not, listening for the local wildlife might be safer.

Ron Pulliam · « **Reply #173 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:35:39 PM »

Quote from: DERBRUCER on March 14, 2005, 02:33:35 PM

I also find this comment from your linked article interesting:1. "calculating Simon" has been an unabashed fan of Mario and would not say something to diminish his chances. Fairer comment would have been "...an admiring Simon observed..."

2. For a British Adult to use "charming" as an appellation applied to a fellow male is not "code", it is straight (pardon the expression) forward complimentary.

And as we both know ("gaydar" time) there is no news here!

I don't think Simon was being any more "complimentary" in his remark than he was being to Anwar or Anthony when he said they were too nice.

I've long suspected that Simon and Ryan had something going, at some time, and the little love-hate thing that keeps zinging back and forth seems to point toward "something" or other.

Even if it was complimentary, it was a bit of an odd thing for him to have said it....sort of an open flirtation with another guy, as it were. Especially given that Simon is particularly "nervous" about how some of the men move about on stage...Simon has some weird ideas about that.

Charles Pogue · « **Reply #174 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:38:01 PM »

Have I mentioned that I hate computers. I have two printers. The one printer toner cartridge has already started to dole out streaked and faded copies of photos I print up, though this cartridge is supposedly good for 3,000 pages...which it isn't even close to yet. Text prints up just fine. Anyway, Dell is sending me a new cartridge and drum and a new printer, just in case, it's the printer....I don't think it is and hope it isn't, as I don't want to have to hire my computer guy to go configuring everything for a new printer.

But what really irritates me is the cartridges for the colour printer. This is a printer that hardly ever gets used. The other day I was printing on the black cartridge some stuff from a comic for research when the whole thing just faded out. They tell me these cartridges once they're opened, the ink in them dries out after 8-9 months whether they are used or not. How thrilling!

What a racket this computer business is!

Ron Pulliam · « **Reply #175 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:40:18 PM »

Quote from: Jennifer on March 14, 2005, 03:21:34 PM

Also, DR Ron, I read the link you provided and would be surprised if that was the reason why Marion had to withdraw. My first thought is perhaps he could be in some legal trouble. As well there were rumors (as DR MattH implied) that he was signing a recording contract with another label.

I'm sure those are possibilities as well.

MBarnum · « **Reply #176 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:43:23 PM »

Quote from: Charles Pogue on March 14, 2005, 03:38:01 PM

But what really irritates me is the cartridges for the colour printer. This is a printer that hardly ever gets used. The other day I was printing on the black cartridge some stuff from a comic for research when the whole thing just faded out. They tell me these cartridges once they're opened, the ink in them dries out after 8-9 months whether they are used or not. How thrilling!

Yes, I have had that happen a few times! Quite a waste...of my money!

Ron Pulliam · « **Reply #177 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:44:02 PM »

Quote from: JRand54 on March 14, 2005, 03:09:55 PM

Interesting article DR RON. Other speculation has been that Mario didn't want to be tied down to an AI recording contract and thought with his publicity, he might do better now on his own. Who knows?

I think this sort of thing is really REALLY speculative, given that he doesn't really have much of a fan base yet for such a move.

It's tough enough to win and succeed (ask Kelly and, especially, Ruben)...and even tougher to place second and succeed (ask Justin Guarini, but Clay Aiken is DEFINITELY an exception).

The also-rans are still slugging it out (Jon Peter Lewis is working on an album with a projected summer 2005 release).

I don't think Mario's "people" are stupid enough to talk him into quitting before it begins when all this publicity and exposure could only serve to strengthen his potential career.

Still....rumors will fly.

MBarnum · « **Reply #178 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:47:08 PM »

I do wish Ray Courts would update his guest list for the Burbank show...at this point there are hardly any performers listed to be there! I am still trying to decide for sure whether to go or not, and I have to make hotel reservations before April 1st to get the discounted rate.

Maybe there will be no celebrity guests??

bk · « **Reply #179 on:** March 14, 2005, 03:48:51 PM »

I did manage to buy a carry on - it's similar-sized to my gym bag (like a duffle) but it's got much more room and lots of little compartments. It's called a Werks. It wasn't too much either.

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