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« Reply #120 on: April 23, 2006, 01:43:31 PM »

Iger's "excuse" about SONG OF THE SOUTH is so much vague doubletalk. What SPECIFICALLY do they have problems with that was portrayed in GONE WITH THE WIND, THE LITTLE COLONEL, or other similarly set films that they think folks would go up in arms about? I want to know specifics so folks can address them individually.

Actually, there is a very vocal camp in the Black Civil Rights movement that feels that any depiction of the Antebellum South must include the forced separation of Black families, the rape of Black women by white masters, and much lashing of naked black torsos. For reconctruction era films, you must show at least one lynching. It's sort of a Black "Lest We Forget" and "Nevermore" movement.

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Although some Blacks have always been uneasy about the minstrel tradition of the Uncle Remus stories, the major objections to Song of the South had to do with the live action portions. The film has been criticized both for "making slavery appear pleasant" and "pretending slavery didn't exist", even though the film (like Harris' original collection of stories) is set after the Civil War and the abolition of slavery. Still, as folklorist Patricia A. Turner writes:


Disney's 20th century re-creation of Harris's frame story is much more heinous than the original. The days on the plantation located in "the United States of Georgia" begin and end with unsupervised Blacks singing songs about their wonderful home as they march to and from the fields. Disney and company made no attempt to to render the music in the style of the spirituals and work songs that would have been sung during this era. They provided no indication regarding the status of the Blacks on the plantation. Joel Chandler Harris set his stories in the post-slavery era, but Disney's version seems to take place during a surreal time when Blacks lived on slave quarters on a plantation, worked diligently for no visible reward and considered Atlanta a viable place for an old Black man to set out for.
Kind old Uncle Remus caters to the needs of the young white boy whose father has inexplicably left him and his mother at the plantation. An obviously ill-kept Black child of the same age named Toby is assigned to look after the white boy, Johnny. Although Toby makes one reference to his "ma," his parents are nowhere to be seen. The African-American adults in the film pay attention to him only when he neglects his responsibilities as Johnny's playmate-keeper. He is up before Johnny in the morning in order to bring his white charge water to wash with and keep him entertained.

The boys befriend a little blond girl, Ginny, whose family clearly represents the neighborhood's white trash. Although Johnny coaxes his mother into inviting Ginny to his fancy birthday party at the big house, Toby is curiously absent from the party scenes. Toby is good enough to catch frogs with, but not good enough to have birthday cake with. When Toby and Johnny are with Uncle Remus, the gray-haired Black man directs most of his attention to the white child. Thus Blacks on the plantation are seen as willingly subservient to the whites to the extent that they overlook the needs of their own children. When Johnny's mother threatens to keep her son away from the old gentleman's cabin, Uncle Remus is so hurt that he starts to run away. In the world that Disney made, the Blacks sublimate their own lives in order to be better servants to the white family. If Disney had truly understood the message of the tales he animated so delightfully, he would have realized the extent of distortion of the frame story.


Above extracted from Urban Legends

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« Reply #121 on: April 23, 2006, 01:47:22 PM »

Ugh, I just watched an awful chick flick called It Had to Be You, which I checked out of the library because Faith Prince is in it.  The writing is terrible, acting not much better.  The best thing is the NYC scenery.  Fortunately, I was multi-tasking - eating lunch and then folding laundry - so didn't totally waste the 98 minutes (not that I was counting or anything...)
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« Reply #122 on: April 23, 2006, 01:48:23 PM »

What a beautiful dog.... I suspect he is a dalmation. His markings are impressive.
Yes, he is a Dalmatian (deaf and epileptic). His markings are startling but would be total disqualifiers in a show dog (spots can' touch or over lap).

We adopted him from the local Dalmatian Resucue group, which, by the way, is shunned by the Dalmatian Society of America: they fele all deaf dogs are defective and should be euthanized; any rescue group that seeks to find them homes is anathema. Talk about elitism!

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« Reply #123 on: April 23, 2006, 01:48:56 PM »

Actually, there is a very vocal camp in the Black Civil Rights movement that feels that any depiction of the Antebellum South must include the forced separation of Black families, the rape of Black women by white masters, and much lashing of naked black torsos. For reconctruction era films, you must show at least one lynching. It's sort of a Black "Lest We Forget" and "Nevermore" movement.

Listen to this:Above extracted from Urban Legends

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That's all well and good, but SONG OF THE SOUTH is hardly the only film to portray slaves/former slaves in this way. It's merely the "whipping boy" of this particular PC movement.
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« Reply #124 on: April 23, 2006, 01:49:01 PM »

I spent the whole of the afternoon with the exquisite PRIDE & PREJUDICE. I hadn't watched this in six or seven years, and it was like I was lifted back through the decades and spirited away with these wonderful characters. Simply sensational.

Didn't finish it, of course. but I'm hurrying my afternoon internet surf so I can get back down to it and continue to revel in it.

Are you watching the version wiht Colin Firth?
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« Reply #125 on: April 23, 2006, 01:51:16 PM »

Yes, he is a Dalmatian (deaf and epileptic). His markings are startling but would be total disqualifiers in a show dog (spots can' touch or over lap).

We adopted him from the local Dalmatian Resucue group, which, by the way, is shunned by the Dalmatian Society of America: they fele all deaf dogs are defective and should be euthanized; any rescue group that seeks to find them homes is anathema. Talk about elitism!

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I am floored. HE IS BEAUTIFUL....

I dont care for some of the show dogs... Too much white...

I am glad you gave him a loving home along with Buster, Blondie, and Angie... They must all keep you on your toes.
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« Reply #126 on: April 23, 2006, 01:54:27 PM »

Are you watching the version wiht Colin Firth?

Yes, I mentioned on page 1 that this was one of the miniseries I was contemplating for today. In fact, I am heading back downstairs now to continue with it.
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« Reply #127 on: April 23, 2006, 01:54:52 PM »

My grandfather had a German Shepherd that was blind in one eye. HE was such a loving dog and an excellent watch dog. He could sense things that the other dogs could not. Very intelligent.

I regretfully do not have a picture of Spud but he was impressive. Sadly they had to put him down at 15 years of age for he was very sick and my grandparents could not bare to see him suffer.

I had Schnauzpoo that was the same way. He could always sense things as exceptionally alert when I was home alone.
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« Reply #128 on: April 23, 2006, 01:55:01 PM »

Fletch is beautiful.  It stll surprises me, though, when I see a dalmatian that has more black than white.


I just read DerBrucer's last post...now I know why.


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« Reply #129 on: April 23, 2006, 01:55:29 PM »

Yes, I mentioned on page 1 that this was one of the miniseries I was contemplating for today. In fact, I am heading back downstairs now to continue with it.

That was an excellent version of the show... I really liked it.
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« Reply #130 on: April 23, 2006, 01:55:54 PM »

 All this is leading to a question:  how many films/plays can you think of where a well-known figure is distorted from the facts?

Ummm...almost "most" of them, to one degree or another.

If "warts and all" were the norm, the movies/plays/TV shows wouldn't really draw much of an audience.

All humans have different sides to them...public personae are usually cosmetic enhancements of some good qualities, but other traits/qualities/quirks are very much hidden.

It's only when someone discovers those hidden things about "dead" folks of interest do the expose movies/plays/TV shows find a character interesting enough to feature...even if proof of such things is circumstantial.

Frankly, if the worst thing I know about some folks I consider to be friends was the only thing by which I esteemed them, I'd not have them as friends at all.

Movies, books (even biographies), plays and TV shows often exploit such things and leave the impression that these people should only be defined for that weakness.

I grant you there are some heinous things that should not be forgiven...but mostly, the exploited dark sides of such folks are, IMO,  more often overexaggerated than truthful.
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« Reply #131 on: April 23, 2006, 01:58:09 PM »

ONe of my freind Sandy's Irish wolfies would also be disqualified. Cedric was the runt of the litter and he is considerably smaller than her other two but he still a lovely dog but he can be a rascal at times. He is about 6 inches shorter at the shoulder than the other two dogs, Angus and Fintan.


The sad part is that the breeder was going to have Cedric destroyed. Sandy's daughter fell in love with him and the breeder let them have him when he was only a few weeks old.
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« Reply #132 on: April 23, 2006, 02:00:57 PM »

Shades of the movie "Paint Your Wagon":

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Sunday , April 23, 2006
 
ALTA, Ca — It was like a scene from a horror film: A 27-year-old man plummeted into a gaping hole that suddenly opened beneath a house, trapping him beneath foundation rubble and killing him.

Authorities say the home, built in the 1980s, may have been sitting atop a decades-old underground mine. Recent rains could have softened the ground under the home, in an isolated area near Lake Alta.

"It's unbelievable," Placer County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Dena Erwin said. "From the front of the house, it's absolutely normal. Then, in the middle of the house, is this enormous hole."

The victim was awake and on the ground floor about 9:30 p.m. Friday when the concrete foundation near the kitchen gave way, sending him plunging into to the ground, Erwin said.


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« Reply #133 on: April 23, 2006, 02:06:08 PM »

It stll surprises me, though, when I see a dalmatian that has more black than white.


Actually they come with a variety of colored spots: liver, lemon, orange...

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« Reply #134 on: April 23, 2006, 02:06:11 PM »

There is a hole....inside a house.....there is a hole in the house.....
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« Reply #135 on: April 23, 2006, 02:08:13 PM »

Lovely doggie photos.

I also appreciated Miss Angie's reaction to the pee towel.  

Reminds me of an short sidebar in the Reader's Digest (remember when we read that EACH month):

Science students at Yale were putting parachutes on mice and dropping them out a second story window.  They would then bring the mice back inside and give them cheese and take pulse and respiration.

After doing this several times, they set one mouse down on the table and he ran to the edge and jumped out the window.
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« Reply #136 on: April 23, 2006, 02:08:43 PM »

Actually they come with a variety of colored spots: liver, lemon, orange...

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A lady who used to do volunteer work at the museum I worked at had a liver spotted dalmation however black is hte most common. Her dog was named Spot.
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« Reply #137 on: April 23, 2006, 02:09:15 PM »


I am glad you gave him a loving home along with Buster, Blondie, and Angie... They must all keep you on your toes.

Don't forget the eldest two: Marty and Mikey

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« Reply #138 on: April 23, 2006, 02:10:05 PM »

You are indeed a protector of animals...
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« Reply #139 on: April 23, 2006, 02:10:35 PM »

Oh, did I forget to say good morning, when I posted this afternoon?

Good morning.

I've been up... at least since 9:25 a.m.

It's been a lazy Sunday....went through the S.F. Chronicle, worked the crossword, read the comics, thumbed through the Sunday Datebook...and then watched a favorite made-for-TV movie with Joanne Kerns and Tim Matheson (Matheson's a for-hire killer who has standards...and lets Kerns know her husband has hired him to kill her...and works with her to get her husband arrested/convicted).  Kerns has never been more beautiful.  And Matheson remains one of the most underrated actors out there!

Right now, "Jaws IV" is playing while I do a little surfing and posting.

I need to work my way into one of the piles of unwatched DVDs.  For some reason, though, every time I select a DVD to watch, it's one I've watched before.
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« Reply #140 on: April 23, 2006, 02:10:37 PM »

Great TKAM links, DR CILLA LIZ!
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« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2006, 02:11:34 PM »

DR RLP I just watched an episode of ADAM-12 that featured Mr Matheson...
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« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2006, 02:12:19 PM »

Oh, yeah....I had a plate of spaghetti for lunch.

Made it myself...the sauce, I mean...from scratch.

The spaghetti was Barilla.
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« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2006, 02:13:26 PM »

The end of the semester is coming here...

Lots of students studying and books that were checked out are starting to trickle back in but the biggest rush in return will be after the semester ends in two weeks.  

AT that time I shift to summer hours and man that will be painful af ter working 9 months at night....
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« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2006, 02:37:36 PM »

What are your summer hours?

Off to watch FOUR FEATHERS on TCM.

I ordered Heath Ledger's CASANOVA and TRISTAN & ISOLDE both of which will be released on Tuesday.
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« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2006, 02:41:58 PM »

What are your summer hours?

Off to watch FOUR FEATHERS on TCM.

I ordered Heath Ledger's CASANOVA and TRISTAN & ISOLDE both of which will be released on Tuesday.

During the school year i work Sunday through THursday 330 to Midnight  except during breaks. During the summer I work four days a week at 10:30 to 7 and on Friday I will work 830 to 5.
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« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2006, 02:43:34 PM »

JRand, it will be interesting to see this rendition of Tristan and Isolde. I suspect it will be much different from Lovespell. Gorgeous cinematography and music in that film but I did not care for Kate Mulgrew in the part of Isolde.  Interestingly, the writer of that version, Claire Labine, also wrote on several different soaps.
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« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2006, 02:45:19 PM »

The Chieftains did the score in Lovespell and it was one of the first movies to use a truly traditional Irish instruments.
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« Reply #148 on: April 23, 2006, 03:03:16 PM »

Just listened online to DR Ben's review of Pajama Game.  Ooo, I'd love to see that show!
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« Reply #149 on: April 23, 2006, 03:16:19 PM »

Briefly - the Baddie wanted to smuggle a bomb onto the plane. He put the bomb into Jodi's husband's sturdy metal, combination lock protested coffin. He then snatched the girl in the (correct) expectation that ultimately Jodi would open the coffin in her search - or so I recall.

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A sturdy metal, combination lock protested coffin?  Why does this bring to mind the image of the corpse carrying a picket sign?  "I may be dead, but I still demand my right to be heard!!!"

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