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Re:THE SORRY STATE OF RANCH DRESSING IN NEW YORK
« Reply #60 on: August 31, 2007, 05:26:23 AM »

It's Fathers' Day in OZ on Sunday. I received a card today. I was very pleased.

more for the rumour mill.
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« Reply #61 on: August 31, 2007, 05:27:16 AM »

Good morning, all! I have little to report.  Today's a schlep down to Toyland for some Montgomery & Stone work, possibly a trip to the Brain rehearsal to see Mr Goldberg about the dances, and a trip to the NYPL to drop off a score to one of the librarians.

I'm still unaware of the current apartment situation for the Gilfrys.  There was no word yesterday, so please keep the apartment vibes coming!

TOD:
  DVD: Anna Karenina (still!), Shaun of the Dead
  CD:  Rebecca Luker "Leaving Home," Guy Haines, Mara Callas,
  VCR: Pornagain
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« Reply #62 on: August 31, 2007, 05:27:27 AM »

OK not at our age.

I shall keep that in mind as I struggle into my spandex.
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« Reply #63 on: August 31, 2007, 05:27:27 AM »

Good morning DR MR Brockman Snr.  I think DR GinSling wishes to Bossa Nova.
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« Reply #64 on: August 31, 2007, 05:28:30 AM »

I wonder if DR Arnold is still in "Brazil".
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« Reply #65 on: August 31, 2007, 05:31:02 AM »

***CONTINUED APARTMENT-SNAGGING VIBES***
to the Gilfrys

No.

I did not say snogging.
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« Reply #66 on: August 31, 2007, 05:31:26 AM »

This is truly not directed at anyone today, but just a general thought that's been on my mind as I prepare to subject my own work to theater criticism, and as I read critques of Skip's work on Herringbone (which was ecstatic for the most part) and for his one-act at 59E59 (generally quite pleasant for Skip, with one bitchy exception).  

All of us prefer enjoying something we see in the theater rather than hating it.  But the irony is that it is more interesting to write about, and also more interesting to read about, something a person really hated than something a person really loved.  Somehow, and this seems to be universal, whether they be critics, chatters or just folks, people are more inclined to say "Wow, so-and-so should be a critic" after thy've wittily or cleverly or pointedly pointed out the flaws in something rather than its virtues.  My point:  we ARE more interesting when we are being negative rather than positive, especially but not only when it comes to critquing works of art or that aspire to art.

End of theory.  If I'm wrong,. I hope something will enthusiastically pull apart what i said.  :)  I'd like to be wrong about this, but I think it pervades theater criticism.  Skip used to be a critic and one day his editor told him:  It's easy to be bitchy, it's difficult to give specific praise and to give the true proportions of a performance.
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« Reply #67 on: August 31, 2007, 05:31:34 AM »

DRs Elmore and TCB have arrived.  Good morning gentlemen. I hope ye rested and are mary.

Of course, now that we are free to merry in Iowa.
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« Reply #68 on: August 31, 2007, 05:31:46 AM »

Good morning DR MR Brockman Snr.  I think DR GinSling wishes to Bossa Nova.

And A Fine GOOD MORNING to you DR TOMOVOZ
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« Reply #69 on: August 31, 2007, 05:31:50 AM »

DR td has arrived to check on DR SambaMan's progress with The Waters of March.

Bedtime in OZ.  Enjoy your day everyone.
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« Reply #70 on: August 31, 2007, 05:33:10 AM »

Of course, now that we are free to merry in Iowa.

Where the corn is as high as a six foot gay guy.
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« Reply #71 on: August 31, 2007, 05:33:52 AM »

DR td has arrived to check on DR SambaMan's progress with The Waters of March.

Bedtime in OZ.  Enjoy your day everyone.

I've checked in to see another lovely example of the talented Colin's work.   ;D
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« Reply #72 on: August 31, 2007, 05:34:10 AM »

But not before welcoming DRs td and  DtM to the board (bored)
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« Reply #73 on: August 31, 2007, 05:34:35 AM »

and our host.
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« Reply #74 on: August 31, 2007, 05:37:04 AM »

Pat Buchanan wearing Ranch Dressing.  I wonder if his is any better?

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« Reply #75 on: August 31, 2007, 05:40:01 AM »

I remember this show being one of the hits of last year's Fringe Festival (I didn't see it then) but for the life of me I can't figure out why. The book is dreadful. It's one cliche after another. There is little truth or honesty in what's being presented (aside from the facts they present about Wal-Mart). The music and lyrics are trite and at times even embarrassing. What's even more disappointing is when I got home I read the Playbill (the theatre was too dark to be able to read much) and I was mistaken in thinking this was a group of amateurs or semi-professionals taking a jump to the Off-Broadway level. There are people in this show with real credits. The audience was packed with friends and supporters so the response was strong but my friend and I left shaking our heads. I can't imagine this having any kind of a run, especially after it opens and critics have their say. I saw Linda Winer (the critic from Newsday) and Roma Torre (from NY1 News) in the audience. I will be interested to hear what they have to say. I respect their opinions (even when we disagree) and I can't imagine either one will have much good to say about the show.

A hit at the Fringe - well, you see... how was it a hit at the Fringe?  People on chat boards saying so?  Winning a Fringe "award"?  I'll bet there were better shows in the Fringe that got no attention because they didn't have people going on the boards to do what they do and their friends and supporters (perhaps the same people who were there last night) to whoop it up for them.  If it's as you say, and if the reviews are what you suspect, the producers will find out just how important being a "hit" at the Fringe is.  Any show that calls itself Walmartopia is looking for trouble, especially after Jewtopia.  
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« Reply #76 on: August 31, 2007, 05:40:41 AM »

Jose, it's Roy Arrias Studios - I don't think they're knew and I have no idea if they're even nice, but they were about the only ones that we could afford.
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« Reply #77 on: August 31, 2007, 05:41:54 AM »

Please welcome Jylpqkph, our newest member.
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« Reply #78 on: August 31, 2007, 05:44:27 AM »

Fred, I think you're right about criticism. When I love something, it's easy to gush about it and forget specifics just going on about how wonderful something was. When it's bad I think it's easier to write about because you, perhaps, see the flaws and can say this didn't work and maybe if they tried this it would have been better, etc., etc., etc. I do think it's just as important to praise good work in an intelligent way so that people see why you liked it, not just that you're a committed fan (not that there is anything wrong with being a committed fan) and to dissect bad work to make sense of the problems. I try to do that, and don't always succeed but your point is well taken.
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« Reply #79 on: August 31, 2007, 05:44:45 AM »

DR FJL, I think your theory is well-reasoned and sound.

And...schadenfreude is human nature.
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« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2007, 05:48:47 AM »

DR FJL, I think your theory is well-reasoned and sound.

And...schadenfreude is human nature.

In fact, somebody even wrote a song about it and put it in a Broadway show! Whooda thunk it  :D

Schadenfreude, that is
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« Reply #82 on: August 31, 2007, 05:51:50 AM »

This is truly not directed at anyone today, but just a general thought that's been on my mind as I prepare to subject my own work to theater criticism, and as I read critques of Skip's work on Herringbone (which was ecstatic for the most part) and for his one-act at 59E59 (generally quite pleasant for Skip, with one bitchy exception).  

All of us prefer enjoying something we see in the theater rather than hating it.  But the irony is that it is more interesting to write about, and also more interesting to read about, something a person really hated than something a person really loved.  Somehow, and this seems to be universal, whether they be critics, chatters or just folks, people are more inclined to say "Wow, so-and-so should be a critic" after thy've wittily or cleverly or pointedly pointed out the flaws in something rather than its virtues.  My point:  we ARE more interesting when we are being negative rather than positive, especially but not only when it comes to critquing works of art or that aspire to art.

End of theory.  If I'm wrong,. I hope something will enthusiastically pull apart what i said.  :)  I'd like to be wrong about this, but I think it pervades theater criticism.  Skip used to be a critic and one day his editor told him:  It's easy to be bitchy, it's difficult to give specific praise and to give the true proportions of a performance.

I can only offer my perspective and to be specific about Ben's comments of today:

I had no problem with Ben's comments today, because, as he stated, he is a positive person who goes into shows to like them.  I didn't enjoy what he said today more than when he loves a show - I just read his comments and take them for what they are - comments.   If he'd loved it, I wouldn't have skipped the post or thought "That would have been more fun if he'd hated it." :)

People on chat boards I have a major problem with, and it's why I won't go near the boards once we open here.  I don't really need to read a nineteen-year-old wannabe actor's post about how wonderful Slammer! is and how it's one of the best Fringe shows.   I don't need to read people with agendas posting both bad AND good reviews - bad for the competition, good for their own (it happens every single day).  I don't need to read the posts of people who are paid to post (it happens every single day).  For example, I'm not paranoid in thinking that a couple of people on a specific chat board are just counting the days until we open so they can trash a show they will not be seeing.  How do I know I'm not paranoid?  Because they've already begun doing it.  

As for real paid critics working for the majors, well, you take your chances and you get what you get.  I try not to read any of it, but if I HAVE to read, I try to read the positive ones :)  Some professional critics are shocking - they'll love absolute crap and they'll trash decent and/or good shows.  It's less harmful these days than it was (the trashing) but it doesn't make it any more fun to read.  I get no enjoyment out of reading a critic take apart a show, just as I get no enjoyment of a critic loving a show.  
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« Reply #83 on: August 31, 2007, 05:55:42 AM »

TAP.  Your troubles away.

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« Reply #84 on: August 31, 2007, 06:00:41 AM »

DR FJL, I know it's hard to believe given some of my bitchy comments about things I've seen, but I believe there are two sides to theatre criticism: when a show plays in previews - whether it's in New York or Boston or Seattle - the reviews should be constructive since it's already been defined as a work in progress and the writers want opinions on where they are with it; when a show has officially opened, with whatever fixes or definitive conditions its author(s) choose to give it, it's fair game.  

In the case of my opinions on the two Fringe shows I saw this month, I apologize for neither: both were brought into a Festival situation as examples of their creators' work, with no "preview" or "in progress" attitude about them. One of them BUKOWSICAL! had a good cast and a lot of a good score but but I didn't like its length, a lot of its lyrics, or its sloppy staging.  PB&J had a performance by a friend who acquitted himself respectably in a cast of amateurs (in a city of professional actors!), direction by a novice, and a script by someone who couldn't decide what the play should be.
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« Reply #85 on: August 31, 2007, 06:01:03 AM »

Friday morning greetings!  Today's all information-waitressing for me, then - YAY - a 3-day weekend.  The weekend probably won't be relaxing because DS Rob is moving into his off-campus apartment and helping his girlfriend move into hers.
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« Reply #86 on: August 31, 2007, 06:02:50 AM »

DR Ginny...moving is not fun!  [Just ask DR Edisaurus].

***COPING VIBES*** to all involved!
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« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2007, 06:05:10 AM »

Media report:

CD(car) - on my way to work I listened to Judy Kaye's Diva by Diva and on my way home I will listen to the University of Michigan Marching Band's A Saturday Tradition.  My own personal pep rally, in honor of tomorrow's Wolverine opener against Appalachian State - GO BLUE!

DVD - Prime (recommended earlier this week by DR Ron Pulliam) and The Prizewinner of Defiance, Ohio

VCR - nothing
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« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2007, 06:17:49 AM »

I can't wait to see PITTSBURGH (literally).

I could really show you around.
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« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2007, 06:19:17 AM »

DR Singdaw - how're "The Waters of March" coming along?
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