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Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2004, 08:00:30 AM »

Interesting article here on RCA and 45 rpm's, DR's who are interested can click....others can walk on by....   ;D

http://www.history-of-rock.com/fortyfive_birth.htm


And still more  ;D

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_258b.html
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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2004, 08:02:39 AM »

DRMusicGuy cooks the fish-- he did so last night, in fact.

I thought the 78/45/33 crossover was around 1958 or so.  For awhile you could buy an album in all three formats ("Annie Get Your Gun") being an example I remember from my childhood.   78's became obsolete, and 45's started being used mainly as singles and as EP's.  I'm sure much of that also had something to do with whichever mob controlled which jukeboxes and what was played on the jukeboxes.
 ..............So many influences on our daily lives that we don't even know about.

I remembered "Divorce, American Style" as not being a very funny comedy.  I did love the choreography of the closet doors and what-not as Debbie Reynolds and Dick Van Dyke got undressed and then dressed for bed at the very beginning of the film.  Nice timing.
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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2004, 08:11:42 AM »

Just speaking of Debbie Reynolds, yesterday during my drive down, I heard her recording of Tammy's In Love - oh, my gosh. She really was a wonderful singer.

I LOVE "THE FRONT" - seen it several times.

And, up thar in the great Northwoods, salmon is so fine - I buy the Slab O' Salmon at Costco Issaquah, drag it up the mountain, and throw it on the grill in a fish gizmo. Or even on a piece of foil. Outside cooking means no fish smell in the house, ever. A little lemon juice, maybe. Nothing else. It roasts itself in its own plentiful fat, and comes out so yummy.

And by the way - yowza, what a gorgeous day it is. LA is everything I remember, and more.
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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2004, 08:16:16 AM »

Greetings from Non-Equity land!  I woke up at 6:00 a.m. to the gentle piano sound of "Wildfire" by Michael Martin Murphy, did a little stretching, ballet, and warming up to our "Broadway in Love" album, and got myself ready.  I went down to the AEA center to sign up for the Public Theatre/Playwrights Horizons Equity singers call, and since I was an hour early, I had to scram because only Equity members are allowed to hang out -- or to use the BATHROOM, for crying out loud -- so I had to run over to the Times Square Visitors' Center to pee.  Oh, the humiliation.  I came back at the appointed time and was told they were not going to have time to see us Non-Eq. peons, but we could leave our P/R's with them.  I did just that, grinned at the monitor (the nice one was there today), and went off to work at The Law Firm, where I am now.  Next up is La Commedia Dinner Theatre's singers' call for Cats.

Promises, their kind of promises, take all the joy from life.  Well, not all the joy:  I'm still here, at any rate.

What is it, fish?
Mustard Dill Salmon

Get a salmon filet.  Spray some lemon and sprinkle some salt on it.  Rub it in and pat dry if necessary.  Get some creamy dill mustard:

and brush the salmon with it, making a nice, even coating.  Cook it about 15 minutes, according to your doneness preference.  I like it pretty rare.  Serve with a wedge of lemon and your choice of side dishes (I like couscous and green beans).

Must go do work for a princess who is mad at her boss and refuses to do his work today.  Isn't that just too too?

Oh, and I love The Front, too.  
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2004, 08:23:07 AM »

DRJoy - the Indy Beef 'n Boards production of CATS just opened to a rave!   ;D

http://www.indystar.com/articles/3/113532-4713-062.html
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2004, 08:50:47 AM »

JRand:
BeefnBoards is definitely one of the good ones, and one of the only professional dinner theatres left!
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2004, 09:02:31 AM »

And also remember that for awhile, there were also 10" and 12" LPs. My soundtracks to CALAMITY JANE and SUMMER STOCK were 10" LPs.
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2004, 09:10:43 AM »

A couple of DRs have specifically mentioned the George Foreman grill by name.  I had a Forman and hated it.  The whole thing  slanted and you had to put a plastic thing in front of it to catch all the drippings, some of which always landed between the grill and the plastic thing.  I recently bought a new grill (I forget the brand name and since it's home and I'm at work I can't check it) that stands straight but has a slight slant to the side where the drippings are caught in a plastic drawer (for lack of a better description) that comes out for easy cleaning.  Also the two grill pieces come out and are dishwasher safe.  I find this infinitely superior to the Foreman.
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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2004, 09:11:59 AM »

George, you have a McDonald's that lets you fill up your own drink cup??? Like at Subway??? These McDonalds have not hit NYC yet, or they are places I don't see.

Just about EVERY fast food place here has self-serve drinks.  And at places that don't (like Wendy's), you can still get free refills.  A couple of months ago, Quizno's started charging 54˘ to refill, which is ridiculous!  So I don't refill there.  But everywhere else is no problem.
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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2004, 09:13:41 AM »

As I mentioned the other day when we were talking LPs, our record player (not a stereo, mind you) could play 16s, 33 1/3s, 45s, and 78s.


DR MattH  -- I don't think I recall ever seeing a record player with a speed of 16 rpms on it.  What was that used for, if anything? I would imagine that you could get a lot more material onto a side, but I wonder what the sound quality would be like?
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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2004, 09:15:40 AM »

... So RCA made the 45 rpm phono and Columbia made the LP phonograph....

RCA made a small 45 RPM player that plugged into your TV set - they often gave them away to encourage folks to buy 45 RPM records. This one marketed for $15



To compete with the 45s small size, many 33s were issued as 10" vice 12" (My original Tom Lehrer records were 10" LPs) RCA issued box sets of 45s - I particularly remember "Oklahoma".

The 45 versus 33 battle was complicated by the fact that the 45s were ideal for the pop single market (which was, in the era of American Bandstand, big. big. business) whereas the 33s were ideal for Shows, Classics, and Pop Albums by the super stars like Crosby, Sinatra, etc.

Not long after the introduction of the LP a new player entered the arena - tape recorders replaced wire recorders and music reel-to-reel tape-recordings were introduced to the consumer market (1952). The tape quality was considered superior to the LP and became the medium of choice for music afficianados - particularly Opera and Orchestral Classics lovers. Five years later another new technology hit the street "Bi-Neural" sound (soon changed to "Stereophonic". The Webster-Chicago Corporation (WEBCOR) was a big innovator in this market.

For a fascinating history of the 45 vs 33 look at:

Downstairs Records

This article also details the interesting tid-bit that RCA had the 45 RPM development complete and kept on the shelf for 10 years before Columbia broke out the 33.

der Brucer (who was a consumer of all this stuff) - I spent hours listening to my Madame Butterfly reel-to-reel with Renata Tibaldi.

Now, to stay on topic, I must find a recipe for Grilling Nemo

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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2004, 09:18:47 AM »

Yes DR Joy - I don't go there too often - they cut songs from musicals with impunity!

As I was leaving "42nd Street" several years ago, I happened to be talking to my friend about the Act Two opening song "A Sunny Side to Every Situation" - i.e. it was missing!!!  Our waitress interrupted me to tell me that NO song had been cut and that I must be thinking of a song in "A Chorus Line."  I told her politely, "No, I don't think so...."  But she was adamant that I was wrong and after smiling and letting her talk and talk for quite some time, I finally just said, "No, dear, when we did it on Broadway, there was another song in it."  She didn't say anything after that.  But I hope she asked someone about it, who set her straight.
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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2004, 09:20:06 AM »

Thanks for the articles, DR JRand. Very, very interesting and something totally unknown to me.
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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2004, 09:20:49 AM »

Thank you DRderBrucer....Interesting.

Imagine that - a technology war with a the consumer int he middle?  Nothing like that would happen today.  :P
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« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2004, 09:20:54 AM »

There were also 10" and 12" 78s.  Most popular music came out on 10" and most classical on 12".  Does anyone remember the scene in THE RED SHOES where Moira is dancing in an amateur production of "Swan Lake" and they show backstage where people are playing the score on 78s and trying to time the changing of the records so the dance is continuous?

I also remember that "albums" of 78s came in one of two ways.  They could either have sides 1 & 2, 3 & 4, 5& 6, etc. on separate records or they could be designed for changers with sides 1 & 6, 2 & 5 and 3 & 4 ready to be stacked on a changer.

And yes, for a while most albums were issued in all three speeds so you could buy the speed that fit your format (like you can still buy most titles in CD or Cassette, and at one time you also had a choice of those formats plus LP and even earlier 8-Track or reel-to-reel tape).  As for 16 speed, as far as I know it was used primarily for "talking books" since the speed was too slow for good sound quality on music recordings.
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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2004, 09:25:52 AM »

DR MattH  -- I don't think I recall ever seeing a record player with a speed of 16 rpms on it.  What was that used for, if anything? I would imagine that you could get a lot more material onto a side, but I wonder what the sound quality would be like?

DR TCB, my grandmother had some old thick discs that I believe played at 16 rpm. They were like 3/4" thick and heavy as lead. Her phonograph was wound on the side, of course. She kept that old Victrola upstairs and I don't believe she ever bought a more modern machine. She just listened to the radio, I guess. It was a BIG event when she finally allowed my uncle to buy her a TV and have it put in her "sitting room."
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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2004, 09:26:46 AM »

I don't know if any of you heard about this study of toxins in farmed fish - I know it was a huge story here.  It pains me because I love salmon and other kinds of fish and the wild varieties are so darned expensive.  

Study finds toxins in farmed salmon
 
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Written by: DIRK MEISSNER
 
VICTORIA (CP) - Farm-raised salmon contain higher levels of potentially cancer-causing pollutants and dioxins than wild salmon, say Canadian industry and government officials.

Eating more than a meal of farm-raised Atlantic salmon a month, depending on its country of origin, could slightly increase the risk of getting cancer later in life, says an international study published Thursday in the U.S. journal Science.

The study tested contaminants in 700 salmon bought around the world, including Vancouver and Toronto, and found those farmed in Northern Europe contained the most pollutants, followed by North America and then Chile.

Researchers blamed the feed used on fish farms for concentrating ocean pollutants. It advised farmers to switch feed and recommended that consumers in the meantime eat more wild salmon.

But government and industry officials in British Columbia, where much of Canada's salmon farming sector is located, said pollution levels found in farmed salmon are still well below health guidelines set by the federal government.

Environmental groups said the study confirms earlier findings that potentially dangerous levels of toxic chemicals are contained in the feed given to farmed salmon in Canada and Europe.

"While European farmed fish are worse, Canadian farmed salmon are still a potential health risk," said Otto Langer, a marine conservation expert with the Vancouver-based David Suzuki Foundation.

The study stresses the need for Canada to modernize its regulations regarding the amount of PCBs and other chemicals acceptable for human consumption, he said.

A spokesman with the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said the study requires further examination, but its findings indicate pollutant levels in farm salmon that are currently below Health Canada standards.

"This study just came out, so really what needs to be done is it has to be presented as new scientific data and it needs to be carefully reviewed and evaluated," said Klaus Schallie, western Canada's aquaculture specialist with the agency.

"Certainly, if changes need to be made in the way we monitor or analyse the products or if Health Canada determines it's necessary to change the standard, that's going to happen.

"But at this time the levels that we're talking about are well, well within the Health Canada guidelines and the FDA (U.S. Food and Drug Administration) and the EU (European Union) guidelines for these chemicals and contaminants."

A biologist working for a salmon-farming company at Campbell River on Vancouver Island said he's not surprised the study found higher levels of contaminants in farmed salmon.

Tim O'Hara, senior biologist at Pan Fish Canada, said Atlantic salmon, the breed typically farmed worldwide, have a higher body fat content than wild salmon which results in them storing more contaminants in their oils.

"None of this is a surprise at all," he said. "Even the highest level - and I think it's the Scottish farmed salmon - is still about one-eightieth or one one-hundredth of the FDA warning level.

"In terms of it being a warning, or an at-risk warning, there's nothing in that."

A team of six researchers analysed two tonnes of farmed and wild salmon from around the world - about 700 fish - looking for organochlorine contaminants.

The results showed contamination levels far higher in farmed salmon than in wild fish.

European-raised salmon were the worst affected, especially those from Scottish fish farms, while North American salmon were not far behind. Farmed salmon from Chile had the lowest levels of the toxic materials, including PCBs and dioxins.

Farm-raised salmon contained significantly higher concentrations of 13 organochlorine pollutants, the study found. Among the most important are dioxins, which are released when industrial waste is burned, and PCBs, once widely used as insulating material.

The average dioxin level for farm-raised salmon was 11 times higher than in wild salmon - 1.88 parts per billion compared with 0.17 ppb. For PCBs, the average was 36.6 ppb in farm-raised salmon and 4.75 in wild.

Animals absorb those pollutants through the environment, storing them in fat that people then eat.

High levels are believed to increase the risk of certain cancers and, in pregnant or breast-feeding women, harm the developing brains of fetuses and infants.

 
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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2004, 09:27:03 AM »

Yes DR Joy - I don't go there too often - they cut songs from musicals with impunity!

As I was leaving "42nd Street" several years ago, I happened to be talking to my friend about the Act Two opening song "A Sunny Side to Every Situation" - i.e. it was missing!!!  Our waitress interrupted me to tell me that NO song had been cut and that I must be thinking of a song in "A Chorus Line."  I told her politely, "No, I don't think so...."  But she was adamant that I was wrong and after smiling and letting her talk and talk for quite some time, I finally just said, "No, dear, when we did it on Broadway, there was another song in it."  She didn't say anything after that.  But I hope she asked someone about it, who set her straight.

 :o  Scary.  Yeah, that famous song from A Chorus Line, "A Sunny Side to Every Situation".   ::)
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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2004, 09:29:11 AM »

OKLAHOMA! was on Decca, not RCA.  It was originally released in 2 volumes.  Volume 1 had the majority of the score but Volume 2 had "It's a Scandal, It's A Outrage", "Lonely Room", and a 2-sided "The Farmer and the Cowman".

Not only dinner theatres cut songs.  I stopped going to Papermill Playhouse when they cut "Why Can't A Woman Be More Like A Man" from MY FAIR LADY and "Western People Funny" plus the Louis/Prince reprise of "A Puzzlement" from KING & I.  What I have found with dinner theatres is that they add an extra intermission to sell more drinks (and in cases of shows without intermissions like MAN OF LA MANCHA they add 2).
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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2004, 09:30:02 AM »

DR MattH  -- I don't think I recall ever seeing a record player with a speed of 16 rpms on it.  What was that used for, if anything? I would imagine that you could get a lot more material onto a side, but I wonder what the sound quality would be like?

It was mainly used for talking books.

Stanford Discussion on 16 RPM

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Mostly, they were used for talking books because of the long playing time of a side.  Although these were used by sighted people, their greatest use was by the blind.  There was a great deal of material circulated for this purpose, and much of it is still in use by the blind.  Also there were music discs, typically a library of background "elevator" music, done by Seeburg that looked like 45 rpm records on steroids.  The discs were 9" in diameter with a 2" center hole.

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« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2004, 09:30:33 AM »

Emily,

I also heard on New York 1 that makeup and most toiletries, including shampoo, contain a substance that causes breast cancer.  ::)  Heck, what doesn't these days?

http://www.ny1.com/ny/Search/SubTopic/index.html?&contentintid=36379&search_result=1
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« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2004, 09:33:08 AM »

Sorry I've been E&T lately...some very interesting things brewing with me at the present time. In fact, I'm off to an audition in about 30 min. for a leading role in a Nat'l Tour! They called me Tues. and I should know if I have the part by tomorrow afternoon. If I make the cut today, I'll be seen by the director and choreographer tomorrow at 2 and a decision should be made by sometime in the early evening. I would start rehearsals on Monday and I'd open around Feb. 1 or so. YIKES!

So please, please, please send your good vibes my way. This audition came out of all those auditions for OKLAHOMA! (no, that's not the tour)...the casting director hasn't seen me in six months, but he thought of me for this role (which I'd be PERFECT for), so maybe that's a good sign. At the producer's request, I'm unable to tell you what show or role I'm auditioning for, but I'll let you know if (when) I get it! Keep the good vibes coming and keep praying for me that this works out.

Sorry this post is all about me, but this audition has been all-consuming since Tuesday and I don't think my poor stomach can handle much more stress! Ha! My audition is from 2-3:30 EST, so I hope to feel a few vibes comin' my way. Talk to you later....
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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2004, 09:33:17 AM »

Yes, DRJoy - I think they used it to replace that boring "What I Did for Love."  LOL.

Wow - this morning when I woke up I had NO idea about the 33/45 question....and now thanks to the DR's HHW - I KNOW THE ANSWER!!!

DREMILY - oh dear!  

Good vibes to JASON -- stop at MTI and get your mail!!

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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2004, 09:34:42 AM »

Jrand, etc - Benjamin Kritzer had one of them 45 rpm record players - in all three books.  He probably wishes he had it now.

I have been told that the promise will be honored, so that is good.

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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2004, 09:37:24 AM »

Yes, I remember Benjamin playing his records on that player!  

I  myself loved to listen to the mechanics of the machine as the records ended and the arm lifted, swung back, the record dropped, the arm returned and dropped onto the vinyl....and the music started.  
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« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2004, 09:38:37 AM »

Despite the toxins, I still love fish and my favorite recipe is the following:

Take some salmon or trout filets (personally I like trout the best - preferably having just been caught) and douse liberally with Famous British Columbia Salmon Sauce from Loblaws.  Place in a fish grilling basket (picture below) that has been lightly sprayed with olive oil.  Cook to desired doneness.  Eat.  Arghlargahaargahaga....

A Fish Basket:


   
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« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2004, 09:38:54 AM »

Divorce: American Style - a movie with Miss Debbie Reynolds.
Speaking of Miss Reynolds, I just read in this morning's LA Times that she and Mr. John Saxon are doing LOVE LETTERS in February.
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« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2004, 09:39:11 AM »

Jason!

The vibest of vibes to you.  I will now meditate on Jason getting The Part.

Nammyohorengekyo nammyohorengekyo nammyohorengekyooooooooooooooo.......

Consider it yours.

Odd that the producer asked you not to tell, isn't it?  Hm....
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« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2004, 09:42:03 AM »

At Swishy's Request:

The 58th Post Dance

*dance dance dance tap tap tap dance dance twirl jump leap dance tap spirit fingers*

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Re:PROMISES, PROMISES
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2004, 09:43:32 AM »

oooooooohhh...

Good luck vibes to DR Jason!!!  
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