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FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET
« on: November 06, 2004, 12:00:32 AM »

Well, you've read the notes, you've read them faster than a speeding bullet, you are able to leap tall buildings at a single bound and now it is time for you to post until the speeding cows come home.
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2004, 12:59:27 AM »

BK, you expressed many of my feelings about the Broadway Musical doc.  I too hated that they used movie clips and they were doing a show on Broadway.   Broadway:  The Golden Age was much, much better.  If youcan't fnd clips then just keep the camera trained on people who were there and let them tell their stories.  That's what the Golden Age did...sort of a video aural history and it was fascinating.

Ten Favourite Musicals, in no particular order:

Sweeny Todd
Kismet
Man of La Mancha
Li'l Abner
Boys from Syracuse (what songs!)
Girl Crazy (what songs!)
110 in the Shade
1776
Most Happy Fella (this just breaks my heart)

And last but not necessarily least either...

KEAN (not a whole lot memorable from the score; but the show just resonates with me)

Or:

Brigadoon (I think I know the entire score)

Composers, again in no particular order:

Cole Porter (though I didn't pick one of his shows)
The Gershwins
Rogers & Hart (I think Hart was the best lyricist around)
Sondheim
Frank Loesser
Schmidt & Jones
Noel Coward
Jerome Kern
Kurt Weill
Irving Berlin
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2004, 02:38:26 AM »

TOD, Part One:

In alpha order (best way to be fair) (those marked * are based on cast recordings)

Floyd Collins (Guettel)*
The Music Man (Willson)
My Fair Lady (Lerner/Lowe) - The first musical I ever saw on stage, starring Edward Mulhare and Jane Powell.
A New Brain (Finn)*
Pacific Overtures (Sondheim)
Ragtime (Flaherty/Ahrens)
1776 (Edwards)
South Pacific (Rodgers/Hammerstein)
3hree (O'Keefe/Benjamin//Bucchino//Nassif)
Urinetown (Hollmann/Kotis)*
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2004, 02:51:46 AM »

TOD, Part Two:

Again, alpha.  

Jason Robert Brown (music and lyrics)
Cy Coleman (music)
Dorothy Fields (lyrics)
Stephen Flaherty (music) and Lynne Ahrens (lyrics)
Adam Guettel (music and lyrics)
Oscar Hammerstein II (lyrics)
Lorenz Hart (lyrics)
Cole Porter (music and lyrics)
Richard Rodgers (music)
Stephen Sondheim (music and lyrics)

This list may look a little strange, so it's worth a little explaining.  Coleman worked with several lyricists, Fields with several composers.  They also, thankfully, worked together, but this is a case of overlap.  Similarly, Rodgers worked famously with both Hart and Hammerstein, but Hammerstein had a career before teaming with Rodgers, and Rodgers' career extended through both partnerships and beyond.

On the other hand, Flaherty and Ahrens are primarily known for their work together, perhaps one of the best teams working today.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2004, 03:28:40 AM »

TOD, Part Three:

I don't consider Andrew Lloyd Webber over-rated as a composer.  He's not the greatest, but what he does he does well.  He has a terrible habit of matching himself with poor lyricists, but that's another matter.

Nor do I consider Frank Wildhorn over-rated.  I don't know anyone personally who thinks very highly of his writing, so it seems to me that he is rated exactly as he should be.

On the other hand, Maury Yeston strikes me as very over-rated.  Too much of his composing is sloppy, to my ear.  His two best shows, Nine and Titanic, have relied heavily on stagecraft gimmickry, be it a stage flooded with women or tilting on it's side.  And PS Classics The Maury Yeston Songbook became too dreary to listen to more than once.

Most over-rated show?  I'd have to say Blood Brothers, by Willy Russell.  The music and lyrics are trite and repetitive, and the class-struggle storyline is more like a rant than anything else.  Still, the show keeps getting revived in England, and somehow has piled up eleven cast albums.  
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2004, 04:09:52 AM »


On the other hand, Maury Yeston strikes me as very over-rated.  Too much of his composing is sloppy, to my ear.  His two best shows, Nine and Titanic, have relied heavily on stagecraft gimmickry, be it a stage flooded with women or tilting on it's side.


DRSWW, I saw the original NINE, no flooded stage, just brilliant fluid direction by Tommy Tune, an amazing cast of women and 3(?) boys, the great Raul Julia, a wonderful design in black and white, and one of the most memorable scores I've ever heard in the theatre.  I'm fond of the OBC as well as the London recording with Jonathan Pryce.  

I did feel just the opposite on TITANIC and I do believe its run was caused more by the film than any of the show's merits, although Jonanthan Tunick's orchestrations were some of the most wonderful he's ever done.   To be fair to Mr Yeston, I still don't know how much I liked his score because I hated the production, the direction, design, and especially one actress  with whom I worked at Goodspeed, and I've not heard the score since, only snippets on the Tony Awards.

I was the first person, to my knowledge, to score Maury's song "New Words," and I think it's one of the most wonderful songs any composer-lyricist has penned.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2004, 04:11:03 AM »


DRSWW, I saw the original NINE, no flooded stage, just brilliant fluid direction by Tommy Tune, an amazing cast of women and 3(?) boys, the great Raul Julia, a wonderful design in black and white, and one of the most memorable scores I've ever heard in the theatre.  I'm fond of the OBC as well as the London recording with Jonathan Pryce.  

I did feel just the opposite on TITANIC and I do believe its run was caused more by the film than any of the show's merits, although Jonanthan Tunick's orchestrations were some of the most wonderful he's ever done.   To be fair to Mr Yeston, I still don't know how much I liked his score because I hated the production, the direction, design, and especially one actress  with whom I worked at Goodspeed, and I've not heard the score since, only snippets on the Tony Awards.

I was the first person, to my knowledge, to score Maury's song "New Words" for more than a small ensemble, and I think it's one of the most wonderful songs any composer-lyricist has penned.
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Re:FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2004, 04:30:10 AM »

Here is a list of favorite musicals, as Charles Pogue says, in no particular order

Pacific Overtures
Sweeney
110 in the Shade
A Little Night Music
Follies (there's a trend here)
Avenue Q
Falsettoland
1776
She Loves Me
Pal Joey
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2004, 04:35:53 AM »

Composers

Sondheim
Rodgers & Hart
Rodgers & Hammerstein
Jerome Kern
William Finn
Noel Coward
Bock & Harnick
Cole Porter
Frank Loesser
Kander & Ebb

I'll have to think about the overrated question.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2004, 04:36:06 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2004, 04:40:15 AM »

I'm seeing Pacific Overtures on Wednesday, December 22nd. My major concern is I'm in the back of the orchestra and my last experience at Studio 54 seeing Assassins annoyed me because I missed seeing parts of the show due to the staging. The balcony overhang is severe in this theatre and it's like Joe Mantello totally ignored that when he staged the show. PO is my absolute, bar none favorite piece of musical theatre in all of history (have I gone just a bit too far) and I'm sure the same thing will happen at some point (visually that is) during PO. I only took this subscription so I could be sure to get a ticket for the show. Roundabout has to be the most overrated theatre company working in New York but they get good people and the license to do some shows I want to see (even though more often than not the productions are not very good, i.e. The Women) so I've put up with it. I'm not sure how much longer I will put up with it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2004, 06:16:24 AM »

Oh my this is a passionate TOD for HHW!  Hmmmmmmm.....

Ten favorite musicals....not THE BEST....but favorite.....(although they might be among the BEST)!

GYPSY
The MUSIC MAN
PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
LES MISERABLES
COMPANY
BELLS ARE RINGING
LIL ABNER
HAIR
MAN OF LA MANCHA
WEST SIDE STORY

Honorable mention:  HELLO DOLLY!, MAME, ONCE UPON A MATTRESS

Favorite composers:

Stephen Sondheim
Rodgers/Hart/Hammerstein
Cole Porter
Jule Styne
Leonard Bernstein
Bachrach-David

and some more to be named after some thought.....
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2004, 06:28:12 AM »

The most overrated musicals?

Tie with Cats, Phantom of the Opera and Les Miserables. Take away all the fancy sets, costumes and special effects and ypu have a fair to mediocre musicals. I never did realize how uninspired the score to Les Miz was until I heard it on the complete  symphonic recording. I have not listened to it in years, but the example I like to give is the following:

The music for Empty Chairs At Empty Tables is also used for a song that the "honest" Bishop sings. This would be fine is there was thematic tie between this moment and the time the former song is sung. The music is also repeated throughout the score with no thematic ties to those moments as well. This may have stemmed from the fact that the music when originally produced in France (And Francois may correct me on this) that they were more tableaus (set pieces) than a traditional book musical and when it was produced in London the composer did not compose that much new music for the score.

A moment that is used well can be found in Into the Woods. Actually a couple of examples. The beginning notes in "I Guess This Is Goodbye" (Jack singing to Milkly White) use the same opening notes as "Stay With Me" (The Witch to Repunzel) Another moment is the Baker's Wife and Cinderella singing about the Ball and when the wife asks her about the Prince the same music as Agony is used. To me that is a thematic tie.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2004, 06:46:33 AM »

Favorite Musicals (from Cds and never have seen them)

no particular order

110 in the Shade
The Most Happy Fella
Stages
Colette
The Robber Bridegroom
No Way To Treat a Lady
Ruthless!
Raisin
Windy City
The Human Comedy
Mack and Mable

Scores I did not like (from Cds and never have seen them)

Aspects of Love
The Scarlet Pimpernel
Blood Brothers
Rent (Just couldn;t get into the score except for Seson of Love)
The Wild Party (both versions)
Two Gentleman of Verona
Marie Christine
Blondel
Valmouth (I bought it because I missed read the title. I thought it said Valmount and it was a musical version of Dangerous Illusions/Les Illusion Dangereuse)
Rockabye Hamlet
Runaways
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2004, 06:52:13 AM »

A great variety of topics of the day. I hardly know which one to begin with. I guess I'll start with favorite musicals:

FOLLIES
SWEENEY TODD
RAGTIME
MAME
CAROUSEL
GUYS & DOLLS
CABARET (the revisal)
A CHORUS LINE
FOREVER PLAID
THE PAJAMA GAME

I would have been very tempted to include AVENUE Q and WICKED since I adored both of the shows when I saw them this summer, but all of the above I've seen several times (appeared in quite a few local productions, too) and have stood the test of time with me.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2004, 06:55:29 AM »

For me, the most overrated show in my lifetime was MISS SAIGON. I really found it a bloody bore. Didn't like the score at all (and I loved LES MIZ's score) and found the Broadway production ludicrously overproduced.

I've always felt that when the rights are granted to amateurs and some local theaters can mount  VERY scaled down, intimate versions of the show, it might appeal to me much more. On Broadway, I just found it a hulking dinosaur of a show with only a teeny, tiny brain in its head.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2004, 06:58:37 AM »

Guilty Pleasure musicals that I've seen that I liked and I know I shouldn't have.

Merlin
Starmites
Starlight Express.

Musicals with stars that I went to see and hated.

The Act (Terrible all around show. Really proves that the star is a one note performer and will never be the star her mother was. She will be remember more for her marriages to gay men, rehabs and bad career moves since the film of Cabaret)
Women of the Year (The original star had zero presence the performance I saw)
Victor/Victoria (Just a bad show with a great star in it. And when the star from #1 was in it, a train wreck)
The Goodbye Girl (The female star was in bad voice that day. When is she not. She really needs to retrain her voice and use it properly when she does long runs)

There are really no more stars that perform on Broadway and when so called money names perform they tend to miss performances. The classic stars Merman, Channing, Martin, Brynner, Drake, Raitt rarely missed performances or needed "vocal rest". In their hey day they weren't usings mics and they sung full out to the last row of the top balcony. Nowadays their excuses for missed performances is vocal problems and they are amplified to reach that back row of the top balconey.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2004, 07:00:35 AM »

Well, I'm sorry BROADWAY: THE MUSICAL THEATER didn't appeal to bk. I understand some of his complaints, but I still found it quite entertaining. Did I miss certain shows while being baffled by the inclusion of others (the ON THE TOWN segment seemed to be too praiseworthy)? You better believe it! But ANY SHOW that spends hours praising Broadway's heritage to the music of America is OK by me.

I do look forward to getting my copy of BROADWAY: THE GOLDEN AGE (or whatever it's name is) when it's released this week.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2004, 07:04:39 AM »

DR Michael Shayne's dismissal of THE ACT reminds me of another show that I might should have included in my favorites list - THE RINK. I adore this show. Great score, interesting story and characters, and a fascinating concept with the wreckers playing all of the other parts in the show apart from the mother-daughter (and the daughter's child at the end).
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2004, 07:09:15 AM »

Favorite shows seen onstage that did not have a formal film version.

No particular order

On the 20th Century
Company
Little Me
Mame
Sweeney Todd (Probably the best show)
The Wiz (the film was nothing like the stage version)
Sunday in the Park With George
Grand Hotel: The Musical
Dreamgirls
Nine
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2004, 07:24:10 AM »

Musicals that I have only seen in their film versions that I liked:

Li'l Abner
Funny Gir
The Pajama Game
Damn Yankees.
Jesus Christ Superstar (Jewison version)
Carousel
Kiss Me Kate
Guys and Dolls
Bells Are Ringing
The Music Man (Robert Preston)
Flower Drum Song (Original version)

Musicals I saw on stage and their film version that I liked

Fiddler on the Roof
West Side Story
Gypsy (The Midler version)
How To Succeed....
The Sound of Music
Hello Dolly (A very guilty pleasure)
Oliver!

Musical I saw on stage and hated their film versions

The Wiz
Mame
Gypsy (Natalie Wood version)
The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
Annie (Both versions)
A Chorus Line
A Funny Thing Happened....
A Little Night Music
Bye Bye Birdie (Ann Marget version)

Musicals I never saw on stage and hated their film versions

South Pacific
On a Clear Day...
Paint Your Wagon
Half a Sixpence
Jekyl and Hyde (the tv taping)
Brigadoon


Musicals that were films first and stage versions later that I liked

Seven Brides For Seven Brothers
Meet Me In St. Louis
Gigi
Calamity Jane

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2004, 07:25:47 AM »

TOD:  THE COMPOSERS

Richard Rodgers with Lorenz Hart
George and Ira Gershwin
Richard Rodgers with Oscar Hammerstein
Stephen Sondheim
Maury Yeston
Jason Robert Brown
Leonard Bernstein (with almost any other than Alan Jay Lerner)
Alan Jay Lerner and Frederick Loewe
Cy Coleman (with everyone he's written with I suppose)
Jule Styne

TOD: THE SHOWS:
THE BOYS FROM SYRACUSE
FOLLIES
SWEENEY TODD
GYPSY
NINE
WONDERFUL TOWN
BRIGADOON
CITY OF ANGELS
ON THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
BELLS ARE RINGING
RAGTIME
CAROUSEL

DR Ben:  I'm seeing PACIFIC OVERTURES (for the first time) on November 27th!  I'm as excited about this as I am about the company I'll be keeping whilst in New York.

FOLLIES became one of my favorites shortly after the Broadway production folded and Carnegie-Mellon University did it as a mainstage production; I'm nearly certain that I was still in high school when that production took place.

ON THE 20TH CENTURY:  I saw a very fine high school production of this only two or three years ago - it worked quite well.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2004, 07:27:13 AM »

Dear DR Michael Shayne:

BRIGADOON was not a film before it was onstage.   ;)
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2004, 07:33:31 AM »

I corrected it. I put it under the wrong category
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2004, 07:36:16 AM »

Top ten musical theatre writers:
Bock & Harnick
Frank Loesser
Rodgers & Hart
Rodgers & Hammerstein
The Gershwins
Lerner & Loewe
Maltby & Shire
Cole Porter
Johnny Mercer
Stephen Sondheim

Johnny Mercer wrote one of my favorite scores, music and lyrics - Top Banana, and lyrics to BK's fav. Lil Abner

No big surprises on the shows, there's the 3 by Loesser
How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying
The Most Happy Fella
Guys and Dolls
                            the three helmed by Jerome Robbins
Gypsy
West Side Story
Fiddler on the Roof
                        plus a Bock & Harnick I like even better
The Apple Tree
                       two by Rodgers and Hammerstein
                       (one with Robbins choreography)
Carousel
The King and I
                         and the last truly great musical
A Chorus Line

I see some people have already listed some of my least favorite shows: Starmites, Miss Saigon - both offended me to the core.

I can't call Wildhorn or Lloyd Webber over-rated, as nobody I know rates them very highly.  You have to start with someone who's been praised highly, and then say, Well, they're really rather ordinary, aren't they?

And so it's no surprise that I've landed upon the much heralded Jason Robert Brown.

His reputation is based on three shows for which he wrote the entire score.  Another Broadway bomb, Urban Cowboy, had many songs by him, but not a majority.  Songs For a New World has a nice number or two.  Stars and the Moon works very well, although Sondheim said the exact same thing in the verse to So Many People, which is twenty times shorter.  A good actress can eke some laughs out of the Weill spoof, although it's not as funny as anything in Das Lusitania Songspiel.  (How many Weill spoofs must we endure, anyway?  Yes, I'm talking to you, Urinetown guys!)  But a lot of that score is loud, busy and pretensious.  Still, it was a modest revue done in a tiny theatre, and a new voice - all are things it's fair to get excited about.

Then Harold Prince took him to Broadway, and these two Yankees came up (with Alfred Uhry's assistance) with the most stereotypical portrayal of Southen bigots ever.  If I were from Georgia, I would have picketed Lincoln Center.  But the theatre was never quite full.  Parade was a non-hit, that won the Tony (for score) in an easy year, and so the over-praise begin.  The songs sung by the Franks are the best, but each is painfully obvious.  Your husband is wrongfully accused of murder, what are you going to say to the press?  You Don't Know This Man.  It's so obvious, you could snore.

Brown's next excruciating endeavor told the story of his failed marriage in a twee and convoluted way, with the wife's songs going backwards in time and the husband's going forward.  "Jamie is gone and I'm still hurting" she tells us at the top.  Fine.  Go cry for your plight because I can't.  You tell me you're hurting, I'm not going to feel for you.  Again, it's obvious, and dull.

And still this guy gets praise.  3 musicals.  2 that are snore-fests.  Compare Maltby & Shire to that, please.

For most overrated show I'm going to pick a show with simply marvelous songs.  I really think it's the writer's best score (and he's on the top ten above) and I'm told the original staging was fantastic with a capital F.  So, why is Follies such a bore to sit through?  I mean, you'd think with wonderful staging of a wonderful score you'd have something wonderful.  (And a lot of people name Follies as the greatest musical ever.)  It's about four middle-age dweebs regretting their pasts.  In the present, they do nothing remotely interesting.  In the past, there was betrayal and "settling" for a marriage to one not truly loved.  The best musicals celebrate something, and it's telling that the great celebratory number from the show, I'm Still Here, could not be given to a main character.  The four leads are too busy lying, self-deluding, and, most frequently, regreting.  It's simply not very fun to watch for two hours.  Oddest of all, the book gives way in the second half.  Instead of continuing its cheerfless story, we are treated to a bunch of "performance" numbers that don't advance any plot.  They just ruminate on the situtation.  Situational ruminations are dull, dull, dull - and both Follies and Last 5 Years are filled with them.

Give me action, and fun, and humor.  Is that too much to ask?  I promise to return the favor in all my shows.
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2004, 07:36:59 AM »

Favorite Composer/Lyricist

in no particular order

Sondhein
Kander/Ebb
Rodgers/Hammerstein
Rodgers/Hart
Porter
Kern
Schwartz, Steve
Strouse (with almost anyone he has written with)
Ahrens/Flaherty
Mercer
Kimmel
Gershwin (George and Ira)
Weil
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Re:FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2004, 07:39:59 AM »

What is it with all the Rolex watches SPAM mail all of a sudden. First is was Viagra. Then a variety of drugs you can buy from Canada, the various widows in Africa and now watches!
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Re:FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2004, 08:13:59 AM »

Glad Noel mentioned Maltby and Shire because I really do love BABY and CLOSER THAN EVER. STARTING HERE, STARTING NOW has a title song that I think is the best solo song Streisand ever sung, but I wasn't as bowled over by this show as I was CLOSER THAN EVER as a revue.
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Re:FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2004, 08:40:22 AM »

TOD:

Things on my list, not yet positively mentioned:

(Favorite Shows seen in Original Production)
Shenandoah
Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
The Club
Boy Meets Boy
King of Hearts

(Favorite shows seen on the road)
Do Your Own Thing
On a Clear Day
Secret Garden
Two by Two
Little Shop of Horrors

(Favorite Shows based on Cast Albums/Movie)
Porgy and Bess
Two by Two

It was asked:
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your ten favorite musical theater composer/lyricists (not necessarily the best, just your faves)

Favorite unmentioned Composers/Lyricists:

Gerald Alessandrini (Forbidden enerything)

Gretchen Cryer – Nancy Ford
(I'm Getting My Act Together and Last Days of Sweet Isaac)

If we extend "Musical Theatre" to include Movie  Song Works (including animated films):

Harold Arlen (Wizard of Oz, A Star is Born (1954)

Alan Menken – Howard Ashman (for their movie work as well as "Little Shop")

Ira Gershwin (sans George) for "Lady in the Dark" and "A Star is Born (-1954)

Guilty Pleasures:

Let My People Come
Gerald Alessandrini (Forbidden enerything)
Mel Brooks

Most Over-rated show:

Oklahoma - singular in its historic context, but not IMHO a really great show (I think "King and I" and "South Pacific" are better)

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Re:FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2004, 08:48:57 AM »

Most Happy Fella (this just breaks my heart)


I really like the album (2 disk OBC) - I wonder how it works on stage?

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