Topic: BOCA BURGER (Read 34991 times)

George · « **Reply #30 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:08:56 PM »

One for BK (and Mahler)!

George · « **Reply #31 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:13:27 PM »

Well, I must be going. I'm still house-sitting and Monday night is the last night that I will be staying overnight. But I have to get there now, because the cat is still outside...and she will need to be fed!

So goodnight, all! And thanks BK, for a wonderful evening!

Ron Pulliam · « **Reply #32 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:13:54 PM »

TOD: If I could live any place in the world, free to travel to any other place whenever I wanted, as well as being free to fly in family and friends for frequent visits, it would be in San Francisco...in the Nob Hill or Russian Hill area. San Francisco is, literally, the most beautiful city in the USA I've seen/visited/been back to.

Otherwise, I would love to be back in South Carolina, on a mountainside overlooking Greenville, SC. Greenville is one of the most beautiful places I've been -- lush greenery in the summer, wonderful seasonal changes without extremes, and an ideal middle location for traveling to visit all the people I wish to grow old with.

Ron Pulliam · « **Reply #33 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:15:40 PM »

It's great to see the photos of this evening's northwestern festivities.

I'm envious of all the fun and frolic, merriment and music.

Thanks for sharing.

Ron Pulliam · « **Reply #34 on:** June 19, 2005, 11:17:06 PM »

Damn the torpedoes...full speed ahead!

Charles Pogue · « **Reply #35 on:** June 20, 2005, 12:15:55 AM »

More on the director's copyright issue. I did a bit of research on the members website of the Dramatist Guild.

"In a nutshell, it does not appeal that direction is protected by copyright."

There have been instances of directors sending the author's playscript to the copyright office with their director notes scribbled in the margins. Since the copyright office simply accepts these (but does not examine them), directors assume their work is copyrighted. It is not. They are essentially amending and altering work that they have no right to...the playwright's work...as it is already copyrighted.

The Guild goes on:

"At most a director's copyright in written stage directions merely means that no other person can copy the director's written words as they appear in the margins , it does not mean that a second individual cannot reproduce the actual staging."

"Since a claim to copyright by a person other than the author can complicate further exploitation" and production, the guild has all sort s of recommendations how a playwright protects himself from any claim of intellectual property from a director regarding his script.

But basically the position of the copyright office is "copyright only protects the specific expression of an idea, not the idea itself."

It doesn't seem like the guild has any technically position one why or the other regards to the direors' claim that their staging is copyrightable...only in where it might intrude on the further exploitation of the author's play or usurp authorship.

In a letter to the Frank Loesser estate, the copyright office wrote:

"The copyright law protects the expression of an author fixed in any tangible form. With regard to stage directions, this expression will generally be in the form of literary authorship. Reference to 'stage directions" in an aplication, however, does not imply any protection for a manner, style, or method of directing, or for actions dictated by them."

Michael · « **Reply #36 on:** June 20, 2005, 01:50:40 AM »

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 19, 2005, 10:25:22 PM

Can't choreographers copyright choreography for ballets and such. But also isn't there any actual choreographic notation where that stuff can be recorded like notes on a sheet of music? My memory is that directors' ideas were not copyrightable but I could be very wrong about that.

There is a method of notation other than video taping or filming the choreography.

Jerome Robbin's Broadway began as wish for him to have a permament record of his work. He didn't remember everything he did so many of his former dancers and actors helped out. There were also some home movies of his work. And even some of the dances that were notated were fiddled with. The Ballet from The King and I was shortened,

As for Robbings you cannot do West Side Story or Fiddler On the Roof on Broadway or any major venue without his original choreography so this was another reason why he wanted his work to be notated,

Michael · « **Reply #37 on:** June 20, 2005, 01:52:42 AM »

As for TOD:

It would have to NYC for the culture available.
Or LA for the weather,

But since I like Florida, I would like to live about 20 miles south of me in Fort Lauderdale.

Tomovoz · « **Reply #38 on:** June 20, 2005, 02:51:35 AM »

Hello DR Elmore. Has the CD arrived yet?

elmore3003 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 20, 2005, 03:07:03 AM »

DR Tomovos, I'm listening to it as I type!

Good morning, all, especially my only early morning companion Tomovoz! DR George, thanks for the photos; I'm experiencing the feelings everyone on the West Coast feels when there's an East coast gathering of the acolytes. I wanna be there!

I, too, have been thinking about the stage directions debate from yesterday: on a first class production, the director probably has a share in the royalties; an orchestrator is usually work-for-hire, although other deals and persentage shares have been known to be made. The amateur stock rights through Dramatists Play Service, French, Dramatic Publishing Company, I believe, are handled through the producer's office, and the script is usually the stage manager's copy. sometimes, as in the case of SUMMER BRAVE where William Inge revised the script of PICNIC to remove all of Josh Logan's "interference," the playwright will take the opportunity in his own publication to remove the director's traces. Joe Mantello, if I'm correct, is getting a royalty from LOVE! VALOUR! COMPASSION! in its amateur/stock edition, so he probably should have been flattered that he was being imitated. It was probably the viewing of the video at the NYPL Theatre Collection that was the final straw, and I believe something similar happened with the Promenade Theatre revival of PACIFIC OVERTURES in the 1980s because Harold Prince felt he had been too faithfully reproduced without consent.

London is where I want to own a flat.

Charles Pogue · « **Reply #40 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:09:23 AM »

I'm not quite sure how Mantello can get a piece of that royalty unless he made an arrangement with the playwright to do so...which, in the stuff I read, the Guild expressely frowns upon. The playwright is not the employer of the director and therefore should be making no deals with him...particularly when it comes giving away his royalties. So unless the playwright agreed to give him a cut...which I can't see an experienced playwright doing, Mantello would have to try to assert his rights in court which, given the copyright office's standards which I go into above, would seem to make a pretty weak case for Mantello.

The other thing is just because his stage directions may be in the book doesn't mean every amateur/stock production is going to use them. It's seems to me "cross downstage left" can be done in enumberable ways. Good direction is...or at least ought to be...more than just blocking. And I can't think of any Sam French script that includes the discussions and character notes that the director conveyed to his actors.

I'm sure that's why direction can't be copyrighted; it's far to indefinable to set down in any arbitrary way. And far too immediate and specific to each actor to be duplicated by another actor. A different actor in the same part is going to be directed differently (At least I would hope! A different person brings different assets to the role and the director must play upon the individual actor's strengths and diminish his weakness. It's new with each new actor essaying the role) And even blocking notations will change with each venue and stage and different set design you have. It seems that direction, by its very nature, is too fluid and malleable to be a definitive, repeatable, stealable thing.

elmore3003 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:17:38 AM »

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 20, 2005, 05:09:23 AM

I'm not quite sure how Mantello can get a piece of that royalty unless he made an arrangement with the playwright to do so...which, in the stuff I read, the Guild expressely frowns upon. The playwright is not the employer of the director and therefore should be making no deals with him...particularly when it comes giving away his royalties. So unless the playwright agreed to give him a cut...which I can't see an experienced playwright doing, Mantello would have to try to assert his rights in court which, given the copyright office's standards which I go into above, would seem to make a pretty weak case for Mantello.

DRCharlesPogue, the director's deal is not with the playwright, it's with the producer, and his royalty is a part of the production's income. With a musical, once it's sold to stock and amateur rights, all the investors and production team see a royalty check or return in investment on occasion.

Ben · « **Reply #42 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:19:56 AM »

39 at 8:13. Good start for a Monday.

No question in my mind. It would be London, because...it's London. I feel at home there. The city speaks to me in the same way that New York speaks to me. If I wanted a less urban place then I think perhaps the Normandy area of France. It's beautiful, the people are wonderful (yes, the French can be quite lovely, as evidenced by our own dear Francois) and it's a relaxing, yet exhiliarating area.

If it was within the U.S., I think the only place outside of New York would be San Francisco (Los Angeles is just too sprawling for me, I like big but not that big). I'm glad I grew up in Minnesota in the suburbs but, as Larry and I were talking a couple of weeks ago, I don't think I could move back to the Midwest and live a contented life. I knew I would be out of Minnesota (especially after I visited New York on my class trip in 1970) and I have been away for 25 years. You can go back to visit, but for me, I really can't go "home" again, because it's not home. New York is home (or London or Dublin or San Francisco or Honfleur or Paris).

Ben · « **Reply #43 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:29:58 AM »

Yes, I have eaten a Boca Burger and other variations. I like them. They are a good tasting alternative to meat burgers.

vixmom · « **Reply #44 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:39:34 AM »

I have never eaten a Boca Burger to my knowledge. I spent a several years in the seventies (during the "meat crisis: andyone else remember the "meat crisis"?) When my mother would buy soy "hamburger stretcher" which you would add to your hamburger.

vixmom · « **Reply #45 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:44:41 AM »

TOD: This is actually something I daydream about in my "when I hit the mega millions" however I have never come to a satisfactory answer. If I had all the money in the world I woulld want to live on several acres of wooded land in a moderate climate that nonetheless had all four seasons.

vixmom · « **Reply #46 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:45:39 AM »

The west coast HHW meet looked wonderful and I echo DR elmore's sentiments... I wish I could have been there!

Kerry · « **Reply #47 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:48:57 AM »

Although having money would be a necessity for any of the three locations, I wouldn't mind living in Paris, New York or San Francisco. I might have to do something else about the winters though. Amybe I could live all three places plus Phoenix... and LA and Melbourne and Chicago, and......

Dan (the Man) · « **Reply #48 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:56:15 AM »

Quote from: Charles Pogue on June 19, 2005, 10:25:22 PM

RE: the Joe Mantello incident from yesterday's post. this may be the incident I was thinking about. I don't remember the outcome of his particular battle (i.e. can a director's blocking and ideas be copyrightable), but I'm pretty sure that directors cannot claim any share of the published script or do anything like that which would dilute authorship or writer's royalties. Wish I had all my Dramatist Guild magazines around so I could find out the outcome of this case. Can't choreographers copyright choreography for ballets and such. But also isn't there any actual choreographic notation where that stuff can be recorded like notes on a sheet of music? My memory is that directors' ideas were not copyrightable but I could be very wrong about that.

As I was reading this topic in yesterday's posts, a question popped into me head--isn't it a part of a play's licenseing agreement that the original production's director receive some kind of credit in the advertisement and playbills of subsequent productions, as in "Originally Directed for the New York Stage by..."? I'm sure I've seen this in numerous published scripts, as well.

I'll have to check the credits of the current Walnut Street Theatre production of Evita that's to open soon here in Philly. From what I've read and heard, it virtually recreates the original staging. I'll check to see if Hal Prince's name is mentioned anywhere.

vixmom · « **Reply #49 on:** June 20, 2005, 05:59:01 AM »

I have not caught up. The Vixter and her outh group wne to t see my friend Frank in his production of "Ten Little Indians" Fiday night so the Mr. and myself were on our lonesome... unfortunartly he had been sick all week witha terrible sore throat and cough so our "date night " turned into "Fall asleep on the couch in front of the TV night"

The Vixter came home from the play around 11 PM all smiles but with a complaint about a slight tummy ache

Unfortunately around 1 AM her tummy ache turned into a major tummy ache and she spent the rest of the night in the bathroom being very ill

Of course the Mr. & I were up as well so by Saturday morning no one was feeling at all well. The Mr. & the Vixter retired to their respectivee beds for naps but since my car had been making some terrible squealing noses when I applied the brakes I was comiterd to taking the car in to be serviced

They said rotors, calipers, brack pads and brake shoes.....and threw around numbers like $1000.00

Fortunately the pads & shoes and labor are guaranteed as long as you opwn the car so that knocked about $300 of the bill, then I have a extended warrantly plan that covers some parts so that knocked about another $350 off... they said the car would be ready around 1..., then 2... then 3.... then they said the master cylinder failed when they tried to bleed the brakes. My extended warranty co decided they wanted to send an inspector to check it out so my car still sits at the shop awaitng a ok to repair .

The I finally walked home and took a nap.

vixmom · « **Reply #50 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:05:55 AM »

On Sunday we skipped church since we were all still feeling a bit delicate.
The Mr. opened his Father Day's presents... two pairs of Panama Jack swim trunk/shorts and two matching Panama Jack shirts, Reno 911 the 2nd Series on DVD, a book on the history of flight and a counted cross-stitch sampler designed and sewn b y the Vixter (her very first counterd cross stictch project!) which said "I love Dad"

and thatwas our weekend!

vixmom · « **Reply #51 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:07:04 AM »

I shall now attempt to catch up.

Charles Pogue · « **Reply #52 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:11:12 AM »

Ben, like you, London is home. I felt instantly at home there. By my second day, I was giving other tourists directions. But I was very lucky to have spent three months on my Sherlock Holmes films. It gave me a chance to just go there and live not be compelled to see the sights in some whirlwind fashion. It's one of the few places I get homesick for. Although I've been in LA now for over 25 years, I do think I could go back and live in the midwest. Though there are many things about living in a world hub I like, I've never really cottoned to the city itself. I'm here mostly for the work and the many friendships I have. I ever leave, it would be the people I miss...nothing really about the city I couldn't give up.

Hisaka · « **Reply #53 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:43:54 AM »

Thank you, DR GEORGE, for wonderful photos from the gathering. I wished I’d have been there.

Hope dear readers who attend dear BK’s reading/signing and/or a dining gethering will have fun, fun, fun, today/tonight!

Dan (the Man) · « **Reply #54 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:45:28 AM »

Quote from: Ron Pulliam on June 19, 2005, 11:13:54 PM

TOD: If I could live any place in the world, free to travel to any other place whenever I wanted, as well as being free to fly in family and friends for frequent visits, it would be in San Francisco...in the Nob Hill or Russian Hill area.

Yes, San Francisco is my top choice, too. My sister lived in the city then in Fairfax in Marin County during the 80s, and I loved visiting her on my vacations. The people there take so much pride in themselves and their environment. I never saw anyone flick their cigerette butts into the street or spit their gum on the sidewalk. In fact, I recall seeing people finding a piece of stray trash on the sidewalk and going out of their way to pick it up and throw it into a trash can. And the very air is invigorating (my sister said it was the grove of eucalyptus trees by the zoo that gave the air that refreshing aroma.)

I'm forgetting--Nob Hill or Russian Hill--in which did Linda Ronstadt have a house? That's where I would ideally like to live.

In second place, would be NYC simply because it's NYC. But I would have to also have a place up along the Hudson to escape to occaisionally.

In third place--a ranch in Montanna. Big blue sky, wide open spaces. No one to bother me 'cept for that Turner fella who keeps coming over, drunk as a skunk, to tell me how much he misses his ex-wife.

Hisaka · « **Reply #55 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:46:46 AM »

And Enjoy your Portland stay, dear BK. Hope some Claritin works a/o you’ll get some Actifed successfully this morning a/o you’ll get better by Boca Burger (I’ve never eaten) Power.

vixmom · « **Reply #56 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:47:28 AM »

Hi Hisaka!! I was thinking of you last night while watching my favorite Japanese show "Sukara".

vixmom · « **Reply #57 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:49:30 AM »

Lovely picures from Saturday dearreaderlaura! I am so glad that you are all right.. a blowout at that speed could have been very very nasty!!

vixmom · « **Reply #58 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:50:51 AM »

I love the picture of our very own Bill Cody! BTW I never heard, is there a video being made of AGYG?

Dan (the Man) · « **Reply #59 on:** June 20, 2005, 06:54:22 AM »

I like Boca burger's very much, as long as I know what I'm eating is a Boca burger. Someone once tried to pass one on to me as a regular burger and I thought it tasted terrible. Once I learned it was a veggie, I adjusted my attitude and found it quite tasty.

I like my Bocas with lots of mustard slathered on them.

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